Dare i raise the question....

[CharlotteACavatica]

who has let their kids have the MMR? how do you feel about it? Ihave a 6yo a 3.5yo and a 1yo and my 1yo dd is due to have hers next week, i havent let the other two have theirs and neither shall i be letting dd, but as so many people know its 'supposed' problems im still interogated and asked why why why? i have heard that the more patients your gp gets to have the MMR the more he/she gets paid, if they get 100% they get a shed load of money but if the percentage drops below 90 they start getting charged!!!????

"no i would try to prevent the cancer epidemic (it is an epidemic isn't it?) by looking at nutrition, the chemicals we are exposed to everyday, reduction of stress levels induced by the society we live in. "

That sounds very sensible, but how do you know it's down to nutrition, chemicals or stress? If that was all the answer would be rather simple.

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Socci...well imo we should go for 100% and see what happens...but I suppose you disagree!LOL

Chemo does safe or at least prolong life...I know that one for a fact and nowadays it does generally safe lifes or prolong it ore positive as they are working out the certain cocktails, etc...

Chritina, or simply that we now all live longer.

the likleyhood of a cancer causing mutation happening increases with every round of cell division that happnes, the other we get the great the odds become that the cancer causing mutation will happen, simple statistics

I'm very glad that cemotheraphy exsists myself, of my dh would in all probability by dead by now

socci, i don't have issues with chemotherapy to the extent that i wouldn't be grateful for it and welcome it were i or a loved one to need it. but i do think it is insane to focus on that end of the equation.

in japan they have massively lower rates of certain cancers (such as breast: no dairy in their diets) and raised rates of others (stomach: loads of pickled foodstuffs).

that example alone indicates to me that the way to tackle this and all health issues is to look at why diseases occur and try to prevent. if we spent a fraction of the time and effort on that we wouldn't be in the sorry mess we're in.

i do think the tide is turning in that respect though.

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Vacination is no more invasive then everyday life....especailly nowadays...we are subjected to cancerous substances anyway, if we want to or not...breathing in will do that.....but even in the olden days you did do breath more germs in in each breath then you get given by vaccination! We. as humans would not be able survive without that mechanism!

joining this at the end of the day..my dd had single jabs through a GP who was adamantly against MMR. My ds has had measles and now needs mumps and rubella but we have recently moved to surrey (new malden) and am not sure of places to go to get sinlge jabs. Any ideas anybody??

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and as for it being simple: it's not is it.

you'd think that making people understnad that what they feed their children has a massive, immediate and direct impact on all aspects of their growth, development and health.

but the furore over jamie oliver would indicate that for numerous reasons many about education and social justice, it is not a simple thing at all.

"In any case vaccination is an invasive procedure performed on an otherwise healthy individual (usually)."

Stating the obvious. How does it make the case pro weaker if you know why you are having it? The same can be said about screening for any disease. You are performing a more or less invasive procedure on an up-till-then healthy individual.

"Dr...darling...wakemen said it was measels virus in the triple vaxx that cause autismn "

Do you mean Dr Wakefield? He didn't say anything of the sort. He's never advised anyone not to vaccinate against measles either, he just said that it might be sensible to use single vaccines whilst the safety of MMR was investigated further. As mentioned earlier even the Cochrane report has said that MMR safety trials were inadequate.

Hairy- I would give singles just because I now believe that the safest possible vaccination (given the info available) should be the one given. I cannot see how giving 3 live viruses with unknown interactions can possibly be safer than giving them singly. Also an association has been shown between catching wild measles an mumps in the same year and an increased ris of autism. Additionally congentical rubella can cause autism. Plus the work on GWS (which I think could be a related given the urine results).

"in japan they have massively lower rates of certain cancers (such as breast: no dairy in their diets) and raised rates of others (stomach: loads of pickled foodstuffs). "

Does dairy lead to breast cancer then?

Sophable, not at all disagreeing that lifestyle has no effect on your health...but immunisations are a whole different thing, even in Japan they do vacciante, and funny enough they stopeed thei triple vaccination oinworry about the healthimpact and autism, and found even after it stopped it allraised...which is just life I suppose! but it should have cleared the bad name of vaccinations, especially as they had been used in a big way in the anti vaxx lobby!
And to whoever said this, of course pharmacy concerns have aword to say, but, do you really think the government would be happy to slaughter the whole polulation...I mean, who is gonna vote for them who is gonna pay taxes if they all die of cancer early thanks to immunasations...it's just to big a thing to believe in! Because they do need us to vote for them!

there is a link yes. dairy is pretty bad news all round.

i still drink/eat it though!!!!

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here is a link

Socci - that's why I made the comparison with screening where you perform something on an otherwise healthy individual. I didn't make the comparison with cancer treatment. I think we are all getting muddled up in the different threads on here!

the link is rabid vegan btw.

but the research cited is valid i think.

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the autism/gulf war syndrome potential link .

Very interesting to our family as ds1 and ds3 both have IAG as the highest peak in their urine (didn't test ds2, although he remained gluten free for 2 years).

Ok Wakefield..tbh I don't care what he is caled, sorry! and yes, he mentioned measles virus being in the intestine of autistic children which indicates that it must have gotten there somehow, all those children whrere...ohhlala, triple vaxxed (at the time where he develloped his single vaxx...surprise surprise...cynic, me never....)so, the "implication was, that it was the mealses componnet that caused it...no one has ever even really lookined into teh single vaxxines to deeply....but anyway, if it was the measles compund than getting measles or the single jab will be just as likely to cause a problem...not that it has too...afterall...may triple or most priple vaxxed children are just fine!!!!!!!

"there is a link yes. dairy is pretty bad news all round."

Hang on a minute. You're changing your stance. There is one thing to say there's an association and something else to say it's causal.

Breast cancer increased as use of mobile phones increased. There's an association there! So? Is it causal?

The link you provided gives no references to the studies they are referring to. Just scare-mongering.

3andnomore no-one is suggesting that MMR has caused the increase in autism. No-one. As I said early ppeople think it is responsible for about 5-10% of cases of autism. A small number. Still tragic for the families affected.