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Teachers speaking out about parents' long working hours

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vestandknickers · 15/04/2014 08:21

Here.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-27027677

Interesting. I think it is good that this is being raised as an issue.

I am not anti working parents at all, but surely a society that thinks it is ok for children to be at school from 8am to 6pm needs to look at itself.

Hopefully it is still a small minority of children who spend five days a week at school for these hours, but it is good that teachers are speaking out before it becomes seen as an acceptable norm.

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horsetowater · 15/04/2014 10:45

Mrs Bucket childhood is not a choice and childcare ranges from being left in front of a screen all day to being doted on by Gran.

horsetowater · 15/04/2014 10:46

Sunnyday you are saying that poor people are bad parents.

mrsbucketxx · 15/04/2014 10:47

I said parenthood not childhood Hmm

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TheFarceAndTheSpurious · 15/04/2014 10:47

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mrsbucketxx · 15/04/2014 10:49

Thefarce its money society idolises, and to get it you need to work in most cases.

Technology has just changed the way we work not made it easier.

MrsDeVere · 15/04/2014 10:53

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GoodnessIsThatTheTime · 15/04/2014 10:58

I'm not sure it's obvious that children from poor families should be in childcare more. I was offered 2 yr funding as husband made redundant. We've not got a lot of money now. I'm oxbridge educated, psychology grad and interested in child development. I decided it would be best in our situation for my children to have me at home.

If I had a high flying job and could afford a good nanny I might think different again.

gilliangoof · 15/04/2014 11:00

I feel bad for a lot of children now. Childhood has changed for a lot of them. I used to clock watch even in high school waiting for the 3pm bell. Now 5 year old are doing longer days than their parents and summer holidays are just as bad with long days in childcare.
Some people have to work long hours to keep a roof over their heads. Others want big houses, fancy cars, holidays abroad, fabulous wardrobes, dinners out etc so the children just 'have' to put up with it.

stillenacht1 · 15/04/2014 11:01

Mrsbucketxx you don't have a clue. My DH (full time teacher) has done 6 days in school this Easter holidays -he left at 7am this morning (and all the other days) and would be in school by 7.30. Yesterday he got home at 6.30pm. I am a part time teacher and have done over 20 hours marking this holiday.

19 hours a week?!?!?Shock

stillenacht1 · 15/04/2014 11:02

Holiday

Durdurkubby · 15/04/2014 11:05

Horsetowater - I agree completely.

mrsbucketxx · 15/04/2014 11:06

Im only going on what the nut states

Hulababy · 15/04/2014 11:09

What does the NUT state?

chibi · 15/04/2014 11:10

mrs bucket those hours refer to actual teaching time which is just one part of the job.

police hours include more than just arresting suspects
doctor hours include more than just appointments with patients
business hours include more than just interacting with clients

teacher hours include more than just teaching students.

Llareggub · 15/04/2014 11:16

My children go to after school club and get very cross with me when I pick them up early. They play football on the field, build dens and use the climbing frames. They leave muddy and happy. There are iPads and stuff for the older children if they want it but they all seem to be outside, whatever the weather.

If teachers think the above is bad for children then I'm struggling to see what they'd suggest as a better alternative. I have no option but to work!

SuffolkNWhat · 15/04/2014 11:16

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ElseaStars · 15/04/2014 11:16

I think it must be incredibly hard for lots of parents to leave their children with CM or at school clubs for longer because of work. I don't think they make this decision lightly. Luckily I am a SAHM. I know loads of people who can't stay at home because of financial commitments that would mean losing their homes etc.

I don't know why parents get judged so harshly (Breast V Bottle, baby led weaning, attachment parenting, controlled crying, sahp, working parents etc). If they believe they are doing whats right for their family surely that is all that matters?

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BoneyBackJefferson · 15/04/2014 11:27

Its just spin on a survey to put teachers and parents like Mrsbucket at each others throats.

Given that this has come on the back of gove's latest failure to alter the terms and conditions of teacher work its no real surprise.

SuffolkNWhat · 15/04/2014 11:29

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Thurlow · 15/04/2014 11:29

God, it's just funny, isn't it? You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's absolutely a no win situation.

As other posters have pointed out, p/t work is rare as hens teeth in a lot of situation so the choice often is between one parent working and counting your pennies, or two parents working and then being considered by some other parents to be 'flush'. I know we're in that situation.

A SAHM is unmotivating to her children and doesn't provide them with a good female role model. A WOHM is farming her kids out to childcare.

So tell me once and for all, vestandknickers, what is better for the child? Being on the breadline or being in after-school clubs?

(Just to say I'm not judging either of those situations, whatever choice a family makes is their own choice, I'm just interested as half of MN clearly does judge one of those situations)

PeachyTheSanctiMoanyArse · 15/04/2014 11:32

Assuming this article was inspired by Gove's suggestions to extend school day until 6?

That idea scares me- boys travel far afield to attend ASD specialist mainstream schools that would have to adhere to the rules, I could be faced with an 11 year old out of the house between 7am and 7.30 pm with his journey to his provision! He already gets tired and sleeps at school!

BUT whilst I don't like it being compulsory, yes it's hard to survive on one income and there's no great parenting in being constantly on the move or malnourished either. I think all schools should provide good quality wrap around care. And yes, I suspect teachers would snap it up: ours are usually there at 8am, and still there at 5.30pm, with home planning etc to do as well. Teachers with small children.

'It's obvious that kids from poor parents probably are better off in school longer and those from wealthier are probably better off at home more'

REALLY?

We're financially poor. We weren't always, DH was made redundant and some of our kids have autism so I am now a Carer. however we are also both graduates, both loving supportive parents. Having asked for SSD provision several times for disability help I can assure you I have plenty of paperwork stating that to deny us respite! I worked for a parenting charity.

Now there are certainly struggling parents who may well be so dysfunctional that they also cannot manage their finances or hold down work, either because they are somehow messed up or maybe have bad life experiences or low level SN / MH issues. There are also well off parents who get away with being awful parents because they can buy in help, I can think of at least 2 functioning alcoholics I know in that situation. But a correlation between low income and poor parenting only means that they CAN be linked, not that they are causal, and therefore you cannot extrapolate that to all financially strapped parents. I did not have a lobotomy the day I dropped my above mentioned parenting charity job and received Carer's Allowance.

Hulababy · 15/04/2014 11:34

Even contact time for a FT teacher is longer than 19 hours.

8:40- 3:20, less hour for lunch. 5 days a week. Even when you deduct ppa is more than 19 hours.

Then add on non contact directed hours : meetings, parents evening, open evening, ppa, etc.

Then add on time to mark, plan and prep, sort classroom etc.

TinyTear · 15/04/2014 11:39

My DD is only 2y but she goes to nursery 8 to 5... is she a ghost? hell no as we make sure that the time we spend with her is quality time.

and we don't have a car, we only holiday abroad as my family is there (no accomodation costs) and need to pay the mortgage...

maybe when she starts school i will change my hours a bit to leave at 3 instead of 4, but still, she will need some sort of after school care and before school care...

for what is worth my mum stayed at home and what it taught me was that I would never ever want to be like her and be completely dependent on my dad

Abra1d · 15/04/2014 11:41

Love to know when in history women haven't worked.

Upper middle-class women did not generally seem to work from the end of the eighteenth century right up until the 1960s--unless they were teachers or governesses, or during national emergencies such as war. This has been the case in my own family until recently: the last ten or twenty years. Jane Austen's characters have to either marry well or become governesses or paid companions. THere was no other work available to them. The same situation pervades the novels of Trollope and Wilkie Collins.

They did, of course, carry out a lot of charitable/voluntary/political work. Those that did manage to get into the professions found it hard work to go against the tide of chauvinism.