Grow old with me! The best is yet to be. Come and join the 40+ mums plus babies, toddlers etc in the snug where tea, cake and sympathy are being served.

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We are 40+ mummies sharing all the highs and lows of our autumn crocus babies. Also sharing tips and information (most crying is tiredness!) and jokes. Please join us!

None are so old as those who have outlived enthusiasm
You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely
It's sad to grow old, but nice to ripen.

PS this thread title was created by eagleray, and she also found the quotes.

It was indeed lovely to see big and small somewheres knottys and midgets. So sorry you had the accident bbd, we missed you. Good to hear that your DH got on with things.

Hope the lurgy is leaving the scarecrow household. Cycle great to see you back and hope your DH is on the mend.

And hope to hear of a West Country meet up soon!

We had a better night last night but still lots of thrashing and yelling in his sleep. Threw up dinner but was entirely cheerful all evening.

Oh and knotty, love the image of Rosa slapping the guy in front!

Missed a bunch! Hooray for better sleep knicky. And somewhere, baby s and rosa both gorgeously squishy as they should be at that age (am a bit as BG was a stick until not so long ago!)
Fb photos sound a great idea!

; ( wrote a long post last night and it's not here! !! Is anyone else having a problem mn on your phone??
Can't even remember what i wrote last night now!
Bbd.... set up mission control on the sofa and feet up. Big hugs. Well done for changing the way you delt with the situation (dh) . Sounds like you handled things well in a potentially disastrous (DH) situation. I always make sure I say thank you (lots) to dh when he steps up and makes my life as easy as possible when I need him to. :)

Hi cycle. .. missed you! !! Little babies catch up eventually. Please stick around if you can, you were my first mumsnet friend.
Hi MrsC this is a crazy place some days :) welcome to the snug (currently egypyain theme which I'm loving
Soup hi i remember you from the antenatal thread
Xx sparkly pops in some times and pudding was there under a different name. Xx

Bbd. . I have to ask. ... did ds have his scooter with him or do you always make him wear a helmet in London? ? :)

Hello everyone, what a beautiful sunshine outside ! It is so great to wake up and look out to such a glorious day.
Esp after the worst night ever in 5 years, A refused to sleep in her cot so she ended in my bed, tried to put her back 10 times between 22 and midnight, maybe her runny nose and coughing was the pb but could see myself cleaning it in the middle of the night. scarecrow, will try the Vicks tip.
Then DS woke up from 00.30 until 2.30 with the biggest tantrum ever, he wanted me to sleep with him, which I refused because he did not behave earlier, he came out from his bedroom 3 times when DH tucked him in his bed, he was warned about the consequences gently before going to bed and I felt I had to follow through. I almost lost my temper, actually I did once he was back in his bed, cried as much as I could with A sleeping in my arms. DH was ready to give in to have peace. We did not argue for once. Improvements here.
But all is quiet now, I m going to try to get things done on internet and catch up on sleep.
Xxxx

Rosie, no DS wears his helmet only when he has his scooter but it is an idea :) it is a bright orange helmet, we can't really miss him !

What a beautiful day. Sun is glorious here. Baby bedding and nappies blowing on the line. Rosebud asleep in my arms. Yom assel. :)

bbd after your tumble yesterday, you definitely could have done without a dreadful night too. Poor you .

Rosie your description of your day sounds divine. Hope the sun continues to shine all day long.

Back from relate. Went well and there were many tears from us both. The counsellor is fab, and giving us lots of food for thought. My DH now truly 'gets' how I feel, how the p ast few weeks have made me feel. I'm feeling hopeful that as 'BBD' said upthread, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger.

DS snoring away next to me. Using the opportunity to have a peaceful cuppa and watch trashy TV. Definitely not missing my job!

bbd you poor thing. Hand holding and a hug

Knicky glad you had a better night. I was also thinking of asking does babyKk have a long nap in the morning. I belatedly realised my DD's early waking was probably caused ny letting her have long nap of 1.5h plus in mornings - it worked well as she only needed to kip when out rest of the day and as it was a natural pattern we had no battles over napping, but I am convinced it helped cement the tendency to wake early. I'm not saying change it, just observing. Again .

Poor T has been teething badly today on top.if his cold and cough. Poor lamb was actually quite miserable. Which makes me realise that since all the wind problems passed in the summer he has more or less smiled from morning to night. I realise that has made me v spoilt but I really had no idea what to do earlier and got quite worried! Not expecting any sympathy for me, but spare a bit for my little hand chomping stuffed up little soldier with watery slate blue eyes

My throat is marginally less sore today. At long blooming last. Began to feel a bit sorry for myself!! Certainly have felt a bit isolated as don't think it's fair to take dc out to soft play and classes etc or play dates when they are full of this lurgy. At last the end is in sight I hope....

quick hello while I'm sat at my laptop - DD asleep (withVicks on her feet!!) and I've now got to finalise all the script stuff for saturday by the end of this eve. DP has been very helpful and just point blank refusing to do his reading and so at least we were able to move on from his painful rendition of it and have now given him something more simple to say ( and it fucking rhymes too ) and I will do the reading myself.

Music was a real sticking point - had no idea what to select as song(s) for the ceremony and then I had a genius idea - have recorded a compilation of all the tunes her toys make (jumperoo, mobile, rainforest gym, swing and so on) - it's the only music we've heard this year, it's catchy and am sure everyone will know and love it. I may also include some drum 'n' bass as when I was about 6 months pg I listened to some being played very loudly and DD could definitely hear it too - it was quite an intense moment. So, that may well be thrown in too. And then there's just bunting, prosecco, batteries for the camera flashgun, salad and serviettes to sort out. Job done!!!!!

KK your relate session sounds intensely painful but worthwhile - trashy tv was never more deserved!

BBD poor you re the accident - so glad DH has stepped up to the plate re helping out. Hope you're on the mend soon, and also that you have a better night tonight.

Cyclecamper great to hear from you - been wondering how you and Baby C are doing, and think of you whenever we're out with bike + trailer. So sorry about your DH - awful thing to have happen. Hope it's mended soon.

Couple of milestones for DD today - she finally drank some bloody water from her sippy cup - 40ml!! And she rolled over onto her front on the changing table, crawled backwards and lowered herself into her cot (with my hands very close by to catch her if need be). She's also climbed out of her car seat this week too - the amount of safe places to put her down for a few mins has just decreased substantially...

Right - back to work. Sleep well everyone

scare full sympathy for lurgyfied little soldier with watery but I bet still crystalline blue eyes. And for you!

eagle sounds amaaaaazing, the music. Good lucky honey! I had one and it was simultaneously lovely for obviosu reasonsm and awful cause I'd not slept.

rosie hope your situation is ok. Glad you had a yom assel day. Me too actually.

knicky glad relate went well. Digging deep is good and creates change.

My day was good cause I was productive and also spoke to mums at the school gate plus ds seemed happy after school. I'm super neurotic over thinker but school is the first jungle they really go into. A pecking order is being established amongst us mums but its very dynamic and unpredictable because it is really driven by the pecking order amongst our children. All currently in flux and a bit uncertain, But having said that when I speak to mums I feel the vibe is much more one of co-operation and conviviality. Maybe I'm just dreaming up the down side.

Nothing makes me happier than my little boy coming home and walking on all fours 'mummy I have FOUR legs I am a GREEN SLOTH ok? No I'm a tiger." No interest in telly. Singing counting songs which he's never done before

Sorry to say Scarecrow but can hear coughing upstairs already! Never mind, the night is still young and hopefully she will settle and sleep well.

Hope you and poor Baby T are better soon.

oh I love peaceful days, I love it when babies just smile, play and eat, no sore bottom, no tantrum, no cries, no stress, I love to read posts with so much love, T's blue eyes, Rosie's drying line floating in the wind, Eagle's creative music, Somewhere's DS singing on the way home from school, babies sleeping in Mum's arms ...
the world is perfect, things are in order and where they belong

I feel human today, a bit stressed this morning but in the end, bits by bits, the day went smoothly, 2 friends came to give me a hand tonight with bath and dinner for the DCs, DS started 1 or 2 mini tantrums but they were killed before they could escalate and he has been in bed since 6.50 with no fuss and now snoring, we will get there, I am confident ! If he is good, I promised to go to the park to collect chestnuts, forgetful Mum who has a swollen ankle and no brain ! He said he would push me on his sister's pushchair !!! we collected lots of conkers last week end, ignorant city dwellers :)

good night babies and Mums

Wow this thread moved fast - SD was crotchety so I wasn't able to post til now. Apologies if I've missed something / someone

Cycle - welcome back! I remember you from the ante natal thread. You were just graduating when I found the thread. Sorry you've had such a rough time. I hope Mr Cycle is well on the mend. Is it reflux with baby cycle? I'm going to the GP tomorrow as I'm convinced BabyPud has silent reflux. She's always been challenging in terms of feeds and sleeps but is getting worse and worse

BBD glad you and DS are ok after your adventure but sorry to hear you had a bad night. Hope tonight is calmer! I love your peaceful days description! One day...... >>dreamy face

pud you won't get any flaming on here You have to do things to save your sanity and if baby pud prefers to sleep on her side, so be it. Happy rested Mum far better than cranky sleep deprived mum - and happier rested baby too. How did things go last night? Hope it goes well at the GP today
scarecrow what a rotten bug you've had. I would have avoided going to soft play etc too, but after a week of not doing much, I suspect you can't wait to get the kids out and about again. Poor T too. Bad enough having a cold but teething too must be horrible for him. Maybe a spot if calpol if things get rough. Those teething granule things are supposed to be good?
eagle loving the sound of the music. Pure genius!
somewhere unfortunately I suspect you're right about pecking order amongst kids equals pecking order amongst parents. Jostling for position so to speak. Little somewhere settling ok though?

All's well here. Baby KK seems to be getting over his cold, only woke at 10 and 3. Both times had a large-ish feed as hasn't done so well with weaning due to cold over past few days. He then made it to 5.55am co-sleeping of course, but that's fine with me. He spends the majority of the night in his room, just bring him in for the last section of the night.

BBD how's the ankle?

goat how was your night last night? Crossing fingers things improved.
pud you mentioned relationships struggling with small children. Totally normal. You're both exhausted and priorities have changed. Maybe plan an eve out if possible for the 6 month mark if babysitters allow? Or even plan a night away at around the 10-12 month mark. I always found having something to look forward to helps (although we're at relate at the moment so maybe not the best person to suggest relationship advice!) though the counsellor did say yesterday that having babies is possibly one of the toughest times as a couple. Trying to be a team helps, and generally showing kindness. So difficult when you're both snappy and tired though. Life will get back to normal, but it all just takes a bit of time to adapt to the new family set-up

Just popping on to say if anyone wants to join FB group, PM me your FB details and I can add you! I'll have a proper read through later, but hope you're all OK and had good nights x

Eagle your naming ceremony sounds so much fun! Your description of DH reading reminded me of Agnes reciting to Gru in Despicable Me 2.
Knotty I shall pm you my FB details
Cycle don't let the hvs get you down re weight! They were a right pain with BG, who was on the .04 line for months - until we weaned actually, when he grew 12 cm in a month and hurtled up to the 50th centile. Follow your own instinct.
Rosie so lovely to hear that in the midst of your family troubles you still had a yom assel.
Scarecrow how are you all feeling? Is the lurgy retreating? I want to meet your coquin!
Somewhere what a lovely description of your DS.
Bbd how are you feeling? I hope last night was better - Wednesday night sounds a nightmare! Do you think your DS was reacting to the day?
Knicky last night was indeed better thanks . BG slept until 3 when i fed him, then till 4 when I took him in with me in the spare room, whereupon he yelled intermittently while kicking me in the ribs but remained asleep until 6:30. A record!
Pudding I have a confession... BG slept on his front quite a lot. He'd got used to it in The incubator and I couldn't persuade him to like lying on his back. The only baby I know who preferred tummy time to all else! If it helps babypud to sleep on her side then do it. You will be there with her anyway.
Apparently BG was really miserable at the childminder's yesterday . I will check with her at lunchtime to see how he is doing and if he is miserable today I will go and pick him up early.

Sorry another quickie! Those of you who've already PM'd me re: FB, I've submitted friend requests to all of you (thanks Knicky for already accepting!). When Rosa has her nap at lunchtime, I should be able to set the group up and add those of you who've replied x

Pudding, totally agree with Knicky, baby and kids in general challenge the balance of couples, each situation can be handled differently depending on the education we have received, there is lots of grounds for arguments ! Of course, sleep deprivation, tiredness, feeling isolated and baby talk all day don't help in staying calm.
AFM the first 3 years were the hardest so far, we can now involve DS much more in our activities. Of course the arrival of A has taken us a bit backwards and it is even more difficult to juggle 2 young DCs but there is light at the end of the tunnel ! 2 more years to go :) that said, I think it will take less time as the second child picks things up very/more quickly. Which encourages me to get things right with DS before A copies too much.
Knotty, I ve PM you. Thank you !
Goat, hope baby G will be fine over the week end for you to enjoy family time
Scarecrow, are you feeling better ? Sore throat is the worst for me, I'd rather have runny or blocked nose and headache than sore throat. Take care. Shame we are not closer, I could look after T from my couch while you get some rest.
Eagle, good luck for final preparations for tomorrow's event.
Midget, like your image of the drunken relative watching the world go by. How do you find energy and time to cook and bake and go out and look after 2 LO and a dog...? You are amazing
Somewhere, I m clueless about pecking, actuallly I don't know how to handle playdates, invitations.... I grew up with my siblings, doing my things, my parents were too busy earning a living to take us to playdates !
Reading was my fav hobby.

My ankle is better, back to its normal size, still bruised, but I m not in pain. Another day to watch flowers grow. I love silence, feeling warm behind windows and not picking my brain over anything.

Enjoy this Friday morning my friends.

Oh my. .. so much to read. I love my mid morning cup of tea and thread catch up. :)

Pudding. .. when my first 2 were small ALL babies slept on their tummy or side. We were told NEVER to sleep babies on their backs as they would choke! ! I have slept rosebud swaddled on her side at times when I felt it would give her better sleep. Trust your instincts. Also rising the head end ( I think it's head end) of basket is meant to help.... que scarecrow :)

Bristol is great for me, I'm away all next week though, court on Tuesday then visiting various family and friends. Week after I'm free all week!

Scarecrow bless your little T. though I'm sure he'd rather have :) I'm dreading the start of teething. I did see a great dummy teether in boots, looks like gum sheald in dummy form. (Amongst the 300 other to choose from!!! ! How can choosing a dummy be so complicated? ??)
I gave in to dh re dummy, he was convinced she would sleep for 12 hours if she had one lol
currently she thinks it's a great toy to see how far she
can spit it. I'm not overly encouraging its use! !

Bbd so glad you are on the mend. A few days with your feet up will do you the world of good.

Eagle the naming ceremony sounds awesome, especially the drum and bass amongst all the toy sounds :) ingenious! Guns and roses sweet child of mine was dd1song it came out the week she was born
Dd2 it was wild world (cat Stevens) then 'the moon on your pajamas' (Paul weller) rosebud doesn't have one yet. :( sounds like baby eagle has been busy this week. I love firsts. Mmm self propelling babies is a whole new era. Lol

Somewhere Yey re productive days. Oh god school gates! I used to be very glad i had a car and avoided thewwhole thing. Head high and remember they need to be nice or you just don't need them! ! How is your green sloth today? He sounds like he has a wonderful imagination :)
Gosh I'm struggling to keep up and the phone keeps bloody ringing with another drama update.
Kk, goat, nottty et el sorry for no personals... now rosebud is crying! !!! Back later x

Knotty thanks for setting up the FB group! I fessed up on there as to who I am but everyone else is playing guessing games. I'm dreadful at guessing games...

KK Rosie and goat thanks, you've helped me feel better about the side sleeping thing...
BBD and KK thanks for the reassurance re DH. We're doing pretty well most days, but it was a lot smoother a year ago . I need to count to 20 rather than 10 sometimes (like today when he left the washing out to get drenched despite being asked 3 times) and he needs to remember it's not a competition for the most tired cos I'd win hands down

I've been to the Dr today and got Gaviscon to try. Has anyone Bf'ing used it? I just tried to administer to BabyPud on a spoon and basically gave her a facial I might have to sterilise an old infacol bottle and try that each feed but that might take a long time... Any other ideas? (It's 20ml of fluid and she doesn't take a bottle well...)

BBD glad to hear your ankle is on the mend...

Goat glad you got good sleep and I hope baby goat is happy at the CM!

*Eagle good luck for tomorrow. Hope all goes well and you enjoy the day

Meet-up... W.C. 21st works for me too Rosie except Wed. When works for others down this way?

Pudding do you have a syringe? (There was one with the calpol i got. Not sure if gavisgon will go through, bit gloopy but worth a try. Aim for cheek and be ready for chocking. .. apparently bf babies have a different swallow. Rosebud scared the life out of us the first time I gave her gripe water! !
Oh i really hope it works and baby pud gets some relief (and you get some sleep)