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Further freakingly fantabulous adventures of the 40+ Mummies Part 2

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blueblackdye · 21/05/2013 21:08

Our 2nd thread is full but it won't prevent us from laughing, moaning, keeping on supporting each other, sharing and chatting over our new life with 1 or 2, even 5 children !
Here you go, fantastic 40+ Mums, a brand new thread for all of us, old friends from the pregnancy thread or new joiners

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rosiedays · 16/08/2013 19:17

Oh scarecrow I know exactly what you're saying. I so don't want rose petal to grow up in the city, me working and missing her grow up. (I did that with my other 2) dh promised when i got bfp to take us back to the beach. I want her playing on the sand and looking at the fish. It's a dream i will fulfill. What do you WANT to do? ?? At 27with 2 pre teens i promised myself i would one day be a dive instructor and live on the beach. I achieved it by 34. I really believe in doing what makes you happy, if you're happy you're loved ones will be too. Do you have to return to your old job?

Squawking. .....

scarecrow22 · 17/08/2013 05:24

look what MNHQ made for the snug:

                  <img loading="lazy" class="inline-flex mumsnet-emoji" alt="Cake" src="https://www.mumsnet.com/build/assets/cake-BMONSn2k.png">
knottyhair · 17/08/2013 06:56

Wow, it's been very chatty Smile! Hope I haven't missed anything when I read back, apologies if I do.
LRM, baby monkey sounds absolutely gorgeous!
Remembering, hope your DD's cold is better and that you got some sleep.
Goat, hope you're all doing OK over there, and are staying safe. Keep in touch if/when you can.
Eagle, so sorry about your DP, it must be very worrying. But well done to baby Eagle on the sleep front!
Rosie, glad the TT was finally sorted but what a shame they took so long to spot it. I love your description of her realising her tongue moves! Good luck with the eviction.
BBD, how are A's spots?
Scarecrow, amazing description of those summers you dream of - sounds idyllic. The closest we come to this is on our annual visit to Austria to see DP's family, although due to his workload we didn't make it this year Sad. DP's mum lives in the small Alpine village where she grew up and DP spent his first 4 years. We get to spend our time swimming in lakes, hiking to waterfalls through forests with MIL pointing out where to pick wild berries & herbs and spotting butterflies, going from 30 degrees in the valley up to the glacier and playing in the snow! Fingers crossed we make it back next year and DD gets introduced to this side of her heritage.
AFM, had a nice couple of days. DS got to go out with his friend all day yesterday, and I think DD really missed him! DP has hurt his back, nothing too serious, but he wasn't able to work laying concrete blocks yesterday but has strong painkillers from the doctor and plans to go and do some painting today Hmm. I had my first fake tan done yesterday which currently looks ridiculous but apparently will be fine once I've had a shower this morning and another 24 hours have passed! Just wanted to have a bit of colour for DD's naming day on Sunday. Getting a bit nervous about it, not sure why! DD has been such a little love, full of smiles and she's really babbling "dadadada". Had a visit from 2 of my best male buddies on Thursday, who really doted on her and seemed besotted! One of them had a DD who was stillborn a few years ago Sad, so I guess it was bittersweet for him. He has a gorgeous DS now, not that it makes up for losing her obviously. Anyhoo, mammoth bloody post again! Hope everyone has a lovely weekend xx

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somewherebecomingrain · 17/08/2013 09:09

Hello!

Hiya rememberingmypfes

goat fingers crossed - I'm sure it will be nothing - keep us updated

eagle best wishes to your husband and a speedy improvement

scare beautiful description if bonding

Waves to knotty bbd chair Rosie lrm midget áZf.tzaer

somewherebecomingrain · 17/08/2013 09:16

Hi just did a brief post respondibg to key points in latest chat but lost it. Cooped up in a v nice hotel room with ds little voice can I see what you are doing mummy? Repeated ad infinitum and dd being sick on me.

We had gorgeous day on beach yesterday - visually no different from med golden sand azure sky but the sea was so cold I couldn't swim - it chilled me to my core. Fun in its own way - bodily mortification type buzz.

Today feel like I spent yesterday on the beach - all washed out baptised and cleansed.

Waves to all

Goat keep us posted on the movement - I'm sure it will be nothing - they will be hyper vigilant about warnings down there surely. Love the children are guests thing.

Eagle wishing Dh speedy recovery

Scare some beautiful posts

Bbd Rosie lrm chai Knicky pfe midget big (Cornish) waves xxx

somewherebecomingrain · 17/08/2013 09:21

Ah baby some's foot musta posted it for me

littleredmonkey · 17/08/2013 09:31

Hi to all
I am having a bit of an internal battle with myself at the moment. Ds wont settle at night unless I breastfeed him to sleep. Own fault done it for nearly 11 moths. I love doing it and it's so peaceful and special. Flip side of the coin he wakes quite abit for me to feed/settle. He won't let dp settle him at all. Tried again last night for 40 mins. I crumbled and feed him as soon as dp brought him to me he stopped and I had my little angel back in his bed all zzzzz. I would love him to sleep longer so we all get some quality sleep but when he is upset o can't do it. I think I am so frustrated. Dp is worried he will do this for years. It's making me very very sad.

littleredmonkey · 17/08/2013 09:32

Sorry to bum everyone out just needed to say. Xx
Hugs to all xx

littleredmonkey · 17/08/2013 09:50

Scarecrow. Eating that virtual cake. Infact I have had two slices

somewherebecomingrain · 17/08/2013 17:02

lrm handholding and reassurance. It's not true they can't change their habits - they are babies not OAPs! Baby m will change when he is ready and you are ready. It may surprise you. Never feel guilty this is building a confident loved child.

If you are very breast-feed-to-sleep-y then bed sharing goes v naturally with that and would solve the sleep probs. but totally understand if not for you.

Prob the conflict w dp not helping. if any consolation we had exact same disagreement with me fearing a lifetime of bad habits and dp saying get the boob out. It's structural this kind of disagreement between mum and dad!

Xxx

10000Fireflies · 17/08/2013 21:01

Evening all

Thank you all for the lovely birthday wishes, especially Scarecrow's v arty offering. Smile I had a bit of a shitty day really. 'D'H took the day off work so he could look after DS so I could do something unfettered by poppet, but H didn't turn up till 4pm. (I have been at DPs) Hmm Even then all he managed in the way of gifts was a bunch of (admittedly nice) M&S flowers and champagne and a hastily scribbled card. Nothing from DS... I helped H buy me something a few weeks ago, but it was too much for him to remember to bring it, let alone wrap it up. I'm hurt beyond belief. I keep trying to count my chickens but it's getting very difficult. I feel so crushed by 'D'H generally at the moment. Don't worry, all of you who think he's having an affair - he's far too lazy to bother at the moment!

I started writing a post earlier, but it's huge and I don't want to bore you all!! (And even this one has turned out longer than I had meant) I touch type so write a lot easily when I get started!! I'll have a go at editing and get back to you.

scarecrow22 · 17/08/2013 21:27

Hugs for LRM and FF (and some special Cake with hidden choc chips Smile)

LRM, you are so so not alone. I didn't have such regular wakings, but DD kept waking at 5am for a feed until she was c 18mo plus: in the end I had to do some CC to get her to give up as I was going a bit do-lally and desperately wanted no 2 and DH was using it as a reason why we could not cope. So first learning is don't ever compare yourself to other parents/kids or some random sense of what is right. I always consoled myself that most mothers throughout time and space will have co slept and fed on demand, etc! Secondly I think it is v common for parents to disagree over feed to sleep/hold out, at least at some point: in my case DH is inclined to assume DC need feeding before any other option and I get frustrated, but it could just as easily be the other way around. The best way to look at it is your child has a healthy balance between his DPs Grin

One option is to say sod the judgement (probably exaggerated by your mother's guilt), and feed him to sleep until he doesn't need it, and enjoy it. However if you are suffering, that is important. And it sounds like you might be. If so, what is BabyMonkey's approximate timings with feeds and naps during the day? And is there a pattern to his night waking? Do you use or would you try a dummy, even say for just one "feed"?

FF, I have huge huge sympathy with your hurt and any problems with DH. I'm struggling a lot with mine but am trying to hold back as feel I've already gone on about it too much in past. I don't want you to feel under pressure to post if not comfortable, but we have all had issues with OHs in last few months and I have had much wise advice and kindness from everyone else in the snug, so highly recommend letting go if it helps. After what has obviously been a tough year I am Angry with your DH and I've not even met him. Suffice to say he has done A LOT better than mine did just 2.5 weeks after we got married when I got a pasta supper (I don't like pasta) and a vague mention that we could go away to a hotel for a night. I spelt out the Future Birthday Rules very carefully after that

Posted too much to name check you all. Rosie, you have got me thinking, but fear I have no particular talent to exploit! I guess in an ideal money-free world (with no Amazon) I would run a book shop and spend a lot more time near a sandy beach for cartwheeling. And I would have a workshop to pot (ceramics), and time to read (by spending less time on MN perhaps!), and DD would brush her teeth without a tantrum twice a day.... What a dream.

blueblackdye · 17/08/2013 21:43

LRM, Somewhere, I had the same issue with DS, we ended sleeping with him, this is of course not a solution but we were too tired to break the habit we gave him. With A I m trying a bit more as I can't let down DS to look after her only but I have resigned myself to be woken up every 4 hours, if she wakes up more often, I leave DH to deal with her, she does cry a bit more but then after a while she realises that I won't come and stops, it is hard but I need some sleep too ...
Goat, i really hope you are all safe, earthquake makes me shiver, when will you be back ?
Scarecrow, you will make your dream come true, I m confident. There is always a price to pay but you will find from inside what is best for your family.
We have spent the whole day out, with my Mum and DH's parents, and some friends, long walk in the country side and lunch, celebrating A's first birthday, my FIL's 60th, and our 7th wedding anniversary.... DS is back, yeah ! I missed him so much, I could not stop hugging and kissing him yesterday and today. He came to his sister and hugged her saying, Mum, my sister is toooooo cute ! Then before falling asleep as usual and always, he said in his sleepy voice, Mum you are beautiful, his way of saying I love you. My heart melts every time.
Big big wave to all, knotty, midget, rosie, remembering....

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blueblackdye · 17/08/2013 22:03

Xpost with Scarecrow. As usual you have the words and wisdom I wish I had Scarecrow. Your words echo in me so much as I feel you read in my mind and past, yet we have met just once! LRM, I agree with Scarecrow, in some cultures, Mums feed on demand and co sleep for a long long time. We in the Wwest have to wean because we go back tyo work and use childcare, and keep our freedom, I don't know where the balance is but whatever you choose, be comfortable with it. I sometimes wonder if we should get a sleep consultant.
FF, we do too have issues in our household. DH sometimes behaves badly. I tend to keep my mouth shut but then when I am very angry, it gets really bad. With A's arrival, I no more feel like I m a person, I m just a Mum now. My birthday is often forgotten, although being born a 1st Jan does not help.... Our wedding anniversary would have been forgotten too if my friends had not mention it. I m not sure I even had a kiss from DH today. I m hurt but will survive. No matter what. Lets go for the day and let them deal with LO for once. I wish I could put myself on strike (hey, Im French after all!) but DCs wellbeing is always my top priority, stupid me.

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10000Fireflies · 17/08/2013 22:36

LRM you might find this helpful; kellymom.com/parenting/nighttime/comfortnursing/ I have had a good read of a lot of stuff on this website. It's made me feel a lot better. Many childcare books have a lot to answer for and make many of us Mums feel very inadequate what we are doing is natural and likely the best for our children. Also, in speaking to a paediatrician about sleep issues, he said that much of the crap that parents come out with about sleeping through the night is just that. Ie crap.

Scarecrow and LRM thanks for your kind and supportive words. I agree, that the LO's take priority. I have tried the striking approach, LRM and know from experience that all it does is create a worse mess for me to clear up!! I haven't even begun to tell you lot a half of it. Life is really quite a mare at the moment. I think I have managed to pick myself up and move forwards, but OMG, it's difficult sometimes. I have managed to be strong willed and avoid drinking myself stupid.

I am hoping the wish I made when cutting my bday cake comes true. Also, I should slap on a load of my new, fancy moisturiser so I don't look my age, but I just can't be bothered!!

Wishing you all peaceful and happy nights. FF xx

littleredmonkey · 18/08/2013 09:48

Thanks ladies for all your support means alot. Dp is helpful but as we get more exhausted we get more hateful. Baby m is a very happy boy just sleep sucks and I love my sleep. I will continue and ff I had read that link before but have copied it and will read every time I feel low. Thanks sweetie. Boo to dp o bet you are hurt sending a huge
We had a break through last night and dp settled him first time since easter. He did it twice so I only fed once

blueblackdye · 18/08/2013 13:13

Youpi LRM ! Maybe it is the beginning of a new era, fingers crossed.
Eagle, the spots are less red and became drier, A did not ave any fever and was just herself, I was not too concerned when I saw there were no new spots coming out. Must have been bugs.
Back to normal, just DCs, me and my Mum. Until Friday, althoug we have lots of visitors, next Sunday we will be back in London.

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10000Fireflies · 18/08/2013 13:14

Damn. Just wrote a post and lost it. Grrr. Still, glad you are on the up, LRM. V similar story to that with baby FF. HV was v helpful. Daddy generally deals with baby overnight. He is pretty much sleeping through now. Getting him to settle earlier and easier by cutting his mammoth 3 hour daytime nap. Not happy doing that, but does mean the evenings are beginning to be ours. Baby FF slowly showing signs of self-settling too, thank goodness.

somewherebecomingrain · 18/08/2013 21:03

Hi ff have read that link too - very validating. I totally agree with everything there. Wish I'd been on mumsnet and seen resources like that when I had ds - ended up doing CIO with him at 9 months because of the 'voices' - you shouldn't bed share, you shouldn't nurse to sleep etc etc. bloody men.

Talking of which Sorry to hear people are having tough times with partners, weve been there, my dp is in therapy and its been a huge help for us. I was before him. Not everyone is a believer or that way inclined but if you are, it can help. The best therapists are not charlatans - they have genuine answers and solutions and can stop the going round in circles. But not everyone's thing.

Sort of glad people are sharing worries as I certainly have been and am glad to lend an ear to others.

goat hope u ok!

bbd glad A feeling better

lrm glad you feeling better too

Xx

10000Fireflies · 18/08/2013 21:45

somewhere what is CIO?

Therapy?? OMG I tried that many years ago and was accused of getting the therapist to gang up with me against him!! She was spot on though and her insight has helped me a lot, though things can still be tough some times.

Just been to a lovely family late avo/evening do and a good time was had by all. Feeling much happier and relaxed now.

Have a good night all, and a good start to the week. Will try to be less self-indulgent with my posts now. FF xx

blueblackdye · 18/08/2013 22:26

Somewhere, FF, if only DH would consider therapy, in his mind, our issues are only related to me being over tired because of sleep deprivation. I wish he is right. I don't know. I saw someone on my own 2 months after A's birth, PND, it was not. But DH did not share so we are still biting our tail...

Thank you FF for the insight of striking and the consequences.

Re CIO, cry it out, I much prefer the gente approach of the baby whisperer, I find Kellymom very reassuring too. After all, in so many cultures, babies are always always with Mums. We have too much external pressure in this part of the world.

Good night, Ladies. Hope we all get some nice long uninterrupted sleep.

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EagleRay · 18/08/2013 22:31

LRM - so sorry you're having all these sleep problems at the moment. Lots of useful advice/thoughts posted already and I am not in a position to advise but my own experience is that we have co-slept almost constantly and up until recently DD hasn't gone to bed til 10pm then wakes to feed every 2-3 hours every night, with each feed seemingly being less satisfying than the last as the wakings get more frequent as the night progresses. What has saved me from dying of sleep deprivation has been learning to feed while asleep - I just get boob out and leave her to it. Things have turned a bit of a corner these last few nights as have been trying to get DD to sleep a little bit earlier each night and all of a sudden I'm seeing tired cues at 7pm which definitely weren't there before! Last few nights she's been ready for bed by 7pm when I feed her on the bed then either lay her down asleep or if she's still awake I reassure her and then walk out of the room and generally she just settles herself.

Since going to sleep earlier, she has (generally) started sleeping through the night! Well til 5am at least, when she seems to be ready for the day, so at that point I let her feed as much as she wants or have some toys for her to play with and eventually she will fall asleep again (not sure if this is a continuation of 'night' or her first nap of the day)

Last night I left her to settle to sleep herself then we got an awful shock when we went to bed as she had crawled around the bed so that she was facing the opposite direction, was halfway down the bed and face down! Not taking any more chances so this evening I wheeled her little Stokke cot back into the room and plonked her in it after final feed. It's sad not to have her in the bed but really don't want her to fall out.

Sorry - the above description of Baby Eagleray's sleeping is overly long and waffly and doesn't contain any useful information, but I guess I'm still trying to make sense of it all myself. I've definitely felt like she's been sucking for comfort at night, and wonder if her waking up was habit rather than hunger. Not 100% sure her 9 hour long stretches of sleep will continue, but if they do it might be connected to getting her into bed much earlier (although this doesn't have much logic).

If she hadn't started sleeping for longer I would definitely be looking at applying some sort of training/technique to get her to sleep for longer as don't want to be feeding this often when I'm ready to go back to work. Anyway, sounds like you've made a big leap forward with the settling and hope it continues!

FF so sorry about your shitty birthday and selfish DH. I think it is all the more hurtful when you are raising children and then feel doubly unappreciated. I'm in a similar position with DP each year and have long ago given up relying on him to make my birthday special. I do tell him very clearly though what I want (sending him weblinks if necessary), and also threaten to tell my family how badly he's treated me. It's hardly romantic, and I have to keep threatening/blackmailing him in order to get anything at all, but there have been very small improvements over the years. Last birthday I hinted at flowers (he has never, ever given me any) and he duly turned up with a bunch of lovely flowers, which I quickly ascertained were hand-picked by himself, although he was very vague about whose garden he had got them from...

BB so glad you are reunited with DS now - what a sweet reunion you've had this weekend! And thank goodness A's spots have cleared up. Can't believe you will be back in London so soon - I definitely want to come and visit!

Somewhere are you still on holiday? Hope it's going well. Your (and DP's) experience of therapy is interesting. It's something I've considered on and off over the years but never done. DP is definitely in need (or rather, should I say, he would certainly benefit from it) but would never in a million years consider it.

Uh-oh - bedtime! Hope everyone has a peaceful night without too much disturbance

knottyhair · 19/08/2013 06:39

LRM, brilliant news that your DP settled baby Monkey. Great advice on here already for you - it's bloody hard sometimes isn't it??
1000FF, sorry you had a crap birthday but glad you had a nice day yesterday. My DP seems to alternate between being very supportive (always makes sure he's home to do DD's bath/bedtime, hands on with her at the weekends when he's not working) but can be completely crap when it comes to birthdays etc. I have to organise my own birthday stuff, he never does anything for me from the kids on Mother's Day/birthday etc. and at the moment, he's really annoying me with his attitude to money. He keeps saying things like "I have to go out and earn the money to keep the lights on" and half joking apparently Hmm "you lot are costing me a fortune". We mutually decided that I would give up work to look after the children and the house so he can concentrate on his business. As far as I'm concerned, it's OUR money, not his but whenever I tell him how this makes me feel, we just have a row so I have to bite my tongue!

BBD, sorry you've had issues with your DH as well (there's a lot of it about!), but glad you've got your boy back - he sounds so lovely! And you're so right about outside pressure - baby books have a lot to answer for! Saying that, I did find Gina Ford's helpful to a degree with DS so we did use it again for DD and it works for us, but it's about finding an approach that suits you and at the end of the day, following your instincts.
Somewhere, nice to hear such a positive experience of therapy Smile.
Eagle, sounds like baby Eagle's sleep is going in the right direction.
We had an amazing day yesterday for Rosa's naming day - my sister conducted the ceremony and she was brilliant! Lots of lovely family & friends, and her mentors made some very personal promises to her and she loved all the attention. Plus DS got to run around with all his bessie mates and his cousins and the cakes were damn fine! We played Here Comes the Sun by the Beatles at the end and there were a few tears - felt very poignant given how I felt when I discovered I was pregnant again Sad. Can't wait for her to wake up now so I can give her a cuddle xx

knickyknocks · 19/08/2013 07:29

Gosh this thread is moving fast!

ff firstly a very happy birthday! So sorry to hear DH was thoughtless. I do think that men just don't think! When it comes to birthdays, organising things my DH too is rubbish. He is starting to learn that when it comes to my birthday and Xmas present, it's nice to receive something small from the kids. It has taken 3 years though Hmm - 3 years being the age of our DD!
bbd so sorry you too are having challenging times with your DH. I too can relate to having one small peck as the total sum of physical affection in one day. And sometimes we go through a day of disaffection at all (yesterday a case in point). We seem to be particularly affected by sleep deprivation and the assumption that one of us is doing more than the other. I'm hoping in time things will improve, but have wondered more than once since DS arrived whether I would be happier only own Sad

Unfortunately I have no wise advice to offer to all the lovely ladies on this thread having difficult times with their partners just plenty of hugs and sympathy.

Talking of sympathy, lots of this too for those with sleep deprivation (err...most of us?!) I've found that lack of sleep is by far one of the most difficult aspects of looking after young children. I'm on 5 cups of coffee a day! I do know it gets better but by check it's tough going. Planning on sleep training baby KK if needs be at around 8 months using the PU/PD method - worked a treat with DD so hoping for similar results this time round.

Baby KK is doing ok, generally up a couple of times a night and usually good about going back to sleep, but a couple of weeks ago he was staying up from 3 till 4.30am. I would then be getting up with DD at 6am. Felt flipping dreadful. Suspect it may have been part of the 4 month sleep regression but who knows?

Waves to somewhere (hope you're having a lovely hols), scarecrow, chairman, midget, Lrm, Rosie, ozmum and anyone I've missed off....!

EagleRay · 19/08/2013 11:14

Morning all

Looks like I spoke too soon... DD settled fine in cot last night, but then I couldn't sleep as was worrying about money, job etc. Then dropped off to sleep just in time for DD to wake up at 1.30am, so back in the bed! Then slept til 5am where I fed her almost constantly so that I could get some more sleep. Then woke up to find her nappy had leaked in the bed Hmm

Two steps forward, one step back...