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pie · 12/10/2003 06:52

Not sure if anyone else is ready to join me here yet...bells, woodge???

Been up since 4am, please tell me that I'm not the only one!!!

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bluebear · 30/10/2003 14:54

Didn't know whether to post details about the birth because I didn't want to stress out any pregnant m'netters, and also because I was hoping a few days/weeks would give me a new perspective.
But, I guess most m'netters looking at this thread will have had their babies so here is a very long post - sorry.
Background: I had a long (30 hours from 3 cm) labour for ds, I had an epidural which didn't fully work (mainly took on legs and feet but not on centre of stomach), midwife wouldn't believe epidural wasn't working and refused me any other pain relief. After day and night of painful contractions found ds's head had failed to descend fully, it was twisted to one side, and according to medics was too large for my pelvis anyway... so topped up epidural with lovely strong drugs and ds delivered by section. Took over 9 months before pain of section scar died down enough for me to touch my own stomach without wincing (according to dr it was nerve pain due to internal stitches).

This time: Wanted VBAC so that recovery would be shorter.
Over 2 weeks I had 10 days of pre-labour (ctx strong enough to wake me/make me gasp but not 'real' contractions).
Finally went into active labour (2am), got to hospital at 4cm dilated, membranes intact. Midwife very positive that baby would be born within next 7 hours.
5 hours later (lots of sitting on birth ball, staying upright,breathing etc), no progress. Membranes were ruptured. I was very despondant and asked for epidural as I was v. tired and knew I had at least 6 hours more to go.
Epidural didn't work fully, again, Then dh noticed the pillow behind me was soaking wet from the epidural - midwive called dr. back and dr. said the epidural catheter had moved a little but not enough to stop the epidural from working.
she topped me up with extra strong painkiller which worked in most places depending on how I lay (feet and legs numb so no more staying upright), was allowed gas and air as well. Managed pain with this combination for about 20 mins then pain got stronger... had to have maximum epidural top-ups every half hour to stop me shouting in agony, had dh massaging whichever part of me was not being affected by the epidural. Felt like complete wimp! Tired wimp!
Next internal, (6pm)found was fully dilated but once again, baby's head was turned in exactly the way ds had been.
This time, a wonderful midwife rolled me into different positions to encourage the baby to move - and she did.
Next internal (8pm ish) found baby in correct position and so pushed for 1 hour.
Next internal found baby had descended but, felt too big to get through pelvis (again). Signed consent form to go to theatre to assess situation, potentially use instruments but possibly go to section (I pointed out my preference was to go straight to section as I did not want to have to recover from a episiotomy and a section scar if instrumental delivery failed.)
A higher-up pain relief specialist dr was brought in, she gave me extra-extra strong epidural drugs and then I was wheeled off to theatre. At this point, unknown to anyone, the epidural catheter came out of my back completely. I went from having ineffective epidural plus gas and air to no pain relief with strong contractions every other minute, and the belief that I was having a section. As the pain got stronger I started shouting, I was strapped to the operating table by my ankles and the table was tilted from side to side as the dr thought that it was a small area that had no pain relief - I started screaming and was told off for 'being irrational' and that I was just upset because it was 'deja vu' after my son's birth.
This is the bit I keep reliving - screaming in agony, unable to see anyone's face, just hearing voices telling me I was upsetting the baby, being irrational, and implying that it was a psychological pain. I was petrified that they were going to perform a section when I had no pain relief, I was asking to be 'knocked out' but the pain relief dr told me that they couldn't take any notice of what I said because I was 'irrational', and spoke to dh instead. Dh said 'no general but re-site the epidural'. When they took the dressing off my back they, at last, found the catheter wasn't in place and understood why I was in so much pain. They then put in a new catheter and new drugs and for the first time since 2am I was pain-free. (11pm)
I was still insisting that if there was any doubt about the size of the baby that they go straight for section. My legs were up in stirrups so they could assess the situation - the senior reg reckoned the head was an okay size and the next thing I knew they had the ventouse on and I was told to push.
The head came out quickly with the ventouse - but the shoulders got stuck. Dh's voice went from wonder at the sight of his dd's head to panic as it became apparent that there were more problems. The medical staff hyperextended my legs and the sen reg manipulated the baby, and with the aid of a mega-episiotomy dd was born. Beautiful, and almost 9lbs (I'm 5 foot nothing, size 8-10, she was enormous for my build).
I am so grateful for my gift of a daughter and she is wonderful, but I keep reliving those minutes of fear, especially when people ask about contraception or the 'next baby'.
There was no feeling of accomplishment in having a VBAC, although I hope my physical recovery will be shorter than 9 months. (Still on max. painkillers for the episiotomy pain - I am a wimp )

Change of subject: Speech therapy - ds has a problem with drooling. He soaks 4 or 5 t shirts a day, and nursery have bought in special bibs for him. He is now 2 and 3 months, and for the last 6 months or so I have asked nursery staff etc. if this was normal and everyone has said ' some kids are droolers, just don't make him self-consious about it'.
Health visitor came round yesterday to see me and dd, whilst she was here she met ds (hasn't seen HV since he was 7 months), and saw the drool, asked about his speech and said he probably had poor mouth muscle control and speech therapy would give him exercises to build them up. So I probably should have taken him to drs or HV months ago. Am going to try to get him assessed by a private therapist rather than wait months for a NHS appointment as he's going to realise that he's the only boy in nursery to wear bibs soon.
Do I get a prize for the longest post on mumsnet??

suedonim · 30/10/2003 16:07

Oh dear god, your labour sounds horrendous, BB, you poor thing. I also went from a painfree epidural state to end of first stage/second stage with no pain relief and it ain't a picnic.

Take care of yourself, best wishes.

pupuce · 30/10/2003 19:44

Bluebear - that's a VERY bad support from hospital - sorry I am appaled ! Glad to hear DD is fine though
If you still feel shocked/upset (re-living it) about your labour - please do get in touch with me.... I have worked with women who suffer from post traumatic stress disorder after childbirth - and if you do end up suffering from that then it is important to get the right support ASAP.....

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pie · 30/10/2003 19:56

OMG bluebear, that sounds truly traumatic, and please stop calling yourself a wimp, I think you're being brave and fantastic about the whole thing. I can't imagine how scared you must have been in theatre. Talk to someone, even us, if it will help with the aftermath of your feelings. Look after yourself!

Lots of Hugs xxxx

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bluebear · 30/10/2003 20:45

thanks for your messages - it was therapeutic just to type it out.
Since the birth I have had lots of support from the community midwife, and health visitor. All have mentioned getting counselling and suggest sooner is better than later. I think that I will probably go for counselling, if only because at the moment I wish to be sterilised and I want to make sure I make that decision for the right reasons.
The next few weeks will probably be the hardest as most of my female friends are thinking about having familys or already pregnant and the interest in each other's birth stories is high. I don't really want to repeat mine to anyone who hasn't already had a successful birth, as I don't think it would be helpful.
Thanks again, BB

pupuce · 30/10/2003 22:19

Good to hear that you will get counselling.... after all your efforts you need to view this birth in a non-traumatic way. You could also ring Sheila Kitzinger - she works on birth crisis and by all accounts is great ! She is very approachable

I think it is very wise to decice on sterilisation after you have "absorbed" your birth and not as a reaction to.

Good luck BB.... and keep posting

mears · 30/10/2003 23:38

Bluebear - I am appalled at what happened to you. If you can bear to, I think you should write it down and sent it to your consultant, to be shown to the staff involved. A woman's pain should never be dismissed and TBH I think the staff involved will be ashamed to think of the impact your delivery had on you. All too often, midwives and medical staff get so wrapped up in the delivery of the baby that the poor mother and father are forgotten. You certainly must be able to speak to someone to get through this terrible experience. If you can manage to write this down and send it to the hospital, you will make sure that other women have better care. Complaints do get dealt with seriously. It may also help you in the longrun. You have a legitimate complaint here. Your epidural should have been resited long before you got to theatre. There is no doubt your care could have been much better. Take care and try to enjoy your beautiful dd.

On the drooling side of your post - my ds 3 drooled like mad and ate like a noisy pig. Speech wasn't great. Both were cured when he had his adenoids removed. Might be an option....

Spod · 31/10/2003 00:06

OMG, Bluebear and Pie... what an awful time you are both having ... i havent been able to get online and had no idea that you've had such worries. How are you both doing? That birth sounds truely awful bluebear... ididnt enjoy my section but it was a breeze compared to your experience.... and Pie, i'm sorry you're feeling so low and getting truely crap advice from your hv! you're doing the right thing just breastfeeding... its obviously working just fine... like you dont have enough to worry about without people giving you shitty advice.. stick to your guns and tell them where to go!
I feel a little guilty for saying that things here are going really well.. baby is feeding great, and I'm getting enough sleep most nights. am trying to get out for a walk round the village everyday... trying to start getting my 'back' health back. still getting a stream of visitors...dh is great...doing the housework etc. baby is really developing...very alert now... 14 days old....I'm really enjoying it all. I'll try and contribute here more...take care all.

pupuce · 31/10/2003 07:58

Oakmaiden - try lansinoh cream (I think Mothercare stocks it)- it's the BEST cream and clearly on that side the latch is to be look at - don't you think ? Have youj tried teh rugby hold on that side BTW????

motherinferior · 31/10/2003 19:47

Bluebear - I'm so sorry. How horrible.

Oakmaiden · 31/10/2003 20:25

So sorry you had such a horrid time, Bluebear.

I have had a bit of a down day today. My midwife discharged me this morning - although she is still keeping in touch to offer breastfeeding support - and my mother went home to Dwvon this afternoon. I think I am feeling a little abandoned. DDoesn't hep that my uhsband had a (minor) operation on his toe yesterday, and so is hobbling around unable to go out if I need something, and telling me how much easier everything would be if I just bottlefed the baby. I have decided though to give myself 4 weeks - which is how long my husband has off work. If b/f is still painful and, frankly, miserable then, then I will say, "OK - she has had 4 weeks, that is a good start, now she is having a bottle". But hopefully by then all the problems will have resolved, and I will jyst carry on.

ANGELMOTHER · 31/10/2003 21:02

Oh Bluebear I'm jusy getting a chance to catch up on Mumsnet and have just read your story. I have no advice, others are much better at that than me but just to say well done for airing it as it can't have been easy for you.
Cyberhugs (((()))))

pie · 04/11/2003 15:30

Ok well have been feeling beaten up last week, Anastacia feeding every 2 bloody hours sometimes. But not all in vain, she has put on 300g/1 whole pound this week.

DH laughed when he saw how proud I looked of myself. Sod.

How is everyone else?

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Spod · 04/11/2003 16:20

well done pie!! thats great. things here are fine, zara is doing well... but windy at nights so grunts alot and is a bit restless... am trying out infacol to see if it helps... otherwise all is well.

Oakmaiden · 04/11/2003 17:30

Pie - you get 2 whole hours between feeds? Wow! This afternoon Eleanor has been doing the feed for half an hour, rest for an hour, fedd again thing. In the past 5 hours she has spent about 3 actively feeding. I'm getting sore.... Sometimesv so tempting to give her a bottle just to get a rest....

I would type more, but she is crying AGAIN so I'm going to have to try to placate her. Lucky, you get to miss the dh isn't supportive whinge.

pupuce · 04/11/2003 20:30

Oaki - it's a growth spurt....
Pie - BRILLIANT - how's the SPD???

bluebear · 04/11/2003 21:55

Fantastic Pie!

dd is 'cluster feeding' every 1 1/2 to 2 hours in the morning, then has a 3 hour nap, then feeds every 1 to 2 hours until 9.30 but bless her little chomping jaws, she normally only wakes at 1.30am and 5.30am. Haven't had her weighed recently so hoping that she's thriving - nappies seem fine and I guess that's the best measure.
ds is flipping from total adoration of dd to major naughtiness when I'm feeding. Luckily I still have dh at home but he's back to work next week and out of the country the week after... I'm very nervous. All tips on entertaining a 2 year old whilst b'feeding welcomed!

bluebear · 07/11/2003 16:36

Had a couple of not-so-good nights. Dd whimpering with tummy ache for an hour or so at a time. Has infacol worked on Zara, Spod? I've tried baby massage techniques but they didn't hit the spot.
HV visited today as I am officially 'depressed', she was no help when I had depression after ds's birth (told me I should 'get out and make some friends' but has at least offered to come here to weigh the baby if I can't get to clinic - Last time I had anxiety attacks if I went out the front door. GP appointment is next week to discuss what can be done to stop me getting so bad this time.
Have you seen your GP yet Pie? How are you feeling?
Oakmaiden - how's the b'feeding going?

pie · 07/11/2003 18:08

Hey bluebear, not posting much, keep freaking, can't shake the funk I have been in the last few days. Yes I saw my GP, I have started taking Lustral, and yesterday was throwing up on it as I didn't take it with food. Didn't make that mistake today. DD1 has been home only once this week, she says she likes grandma's house

Having said that I like it too. Went to stay with my mum a couple of days ago, DH had a fever of 105 and as I still can't walk properly it was just to hard to look after the children by myself. It was nice to 'go home'.

Anastacia is a terrible sleeper, that is making the depression harder to deal with.

Anyway.

I hope you start feeling better soon bluebear, or at least get the support you need. I would tell you GP about HV's comment, its shocking how uninformed she must be.

xxx

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motherinferior · 07/11/2003 20:04

I am just popping in to send everyone my love. Pie, I'm sorry it's so awful at the moment. Bb - I would like to thump your HV, seriously. Everyone - small babies DO get bigger and it does get easier, honest, I PROMISE.

Spod · 08/11/2003 19:22

no bluebear, infacol isnt really helping... pupace has suggested cranial osteopathy.... early days yet though. tried massage too... like you didnt work... will try to space out feeds as Zara, like your little one cluster feeds and i guess this may make belly ache worse. sorry to hear about the depression, hope youre getting hellp you need...there are some shite hv out there... havent seen hide nor hair of mine..... thinking thats a good thing! havent been to weigh baby yet... will do next week altho' confident shes putting on weight and is fine apart from the restless windfilled nights. Is there anything else i can try to alleviate nighttime belly aches for zara?? hope you're doing okay pie.... theres a virus going around isnt there... hope your dh is better and able to help you out.... back to feeding.....take care all xx

bluebear · 09/11/2003 14:05

Pie, just a quick post whilst both kids sleep (!) - my ds was a horrific sleeper - wouldn't nap in daytime and was up every 2 hours at night until 10 months so I can remember just how awful it is to have the double whammy of sleep deprivation and depression. Mumsnet helped a lot, even though I was mainly lurking not posting. It's great that your Mum is helping, and that your dd has such a great relationship with her - I've got ds in nursery 3 days and with MIL for 1 day so I only have both kids one weekday and weekends, I do feel guilty but the alternative is both children at home and me not coping. Got to go, dd stirring. Thinking of you, hope the lustral works, BB
Spod - dd still windy, mainly 2am - 4am (ouch), spits out infacol, found tummy massage plus 'shushy' noises works best (or maybe she'd falls asleep anyway, but I feel like I've helped). Here's hoping they grow out of it soon. BB

mears · 09/11/2003 14:15

colicynth granules (most chemist/herbal shops) have them are brilliant for colic. The beauty is that they are used when the cloic is there - you put them on the tongue every 5 mins till the colic goes. Don't know anyone who hasn't had success with them. Cannot overdose on them either.

bluebear · 10/11/2003 10:23

Thanks Mears - will look for them today.
Dd was fine last night, I gave up chocolate yesterday (arghhhh!) as I had read that it could cause tummy problems in breastfed babies - although I didn't believe it.
DD slept 10.30pm-5am!! No tummy ache, no crying, and at 5am she only wanted a 5 min feed then fell asleep again. I stayed awake petrified as I thought she might be sick having slept so long between feeds, and then not waking up starving. (I started another thread asking if a 6 and a half hour gap was normal in 3 week olds but no one's replied). She's been guzzling away this morning anyway, and has now conked out.
So I'll look for the colicynth granules, but I guess I'm off the chocolate now as well.

(Hmmm... chocolate or sleep?.. chocolate or sleep? )

pie · 10/11/2003 10:35

BB...chocolate??? say it isn't so

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