MMR - was your child ever the same afterwards?

[sleepyhorse]

just wondering what your thoughts are? Feel like my child changed after having it and now nearly 2 years on having problems with ds on the language and social side! Yet to be confirmed if he is autistic. Did you have this combined vaccine and if you haven't yet I would advise going private and getting the single jabs. Don't take that risk!

pagwatch why are you being so personal? I'm simply pointing out that a change in your children after vaccinating before has meant you're not happy to vaccinate now. Is that not the case? If you'd vaccinated and there had not been any change, would you have vaccinated again?

This isn't difficult.
If your child has not had the mmr or has had it before and you are going to vac a sibling - the chances of a problem are remote.

If you have a child who has reacted very badly to the mmr then the chances that a sibling will react are massively increased.

Having had measles, as did all my extended family, if it is a choice between the mmr and measles for MY child, then it will always be measles.

It's family history innit.
Well that is what my gp and consultant paediatrician say......

I am not being personal.
You are misunderstanding my tone

Can I ask a (no doubt) ill informed question? Surely the symptoms of autism manifest themselves at the same development stage as the child has the MMR. Could all these observed changes in children following the MMR not be coincidental and they were going to be autistic anyway?

DD1 - fine
DD2 - having it next week.

I asked Professor Sue Leekam, one of the pre-eminent UK experts on autism - profile here - whether she would give her children the MMR. She instantly said yes - that was enough for me.

cumbria yes, the first signs of autism (whether gradual or overnight change) frequently start to show themselves at the age at which MMR gets done, although many mothers say that in hindsight, the signs were there for longer.

I wouldn't describe my child as autistic. We've had all sorts of tests done and no one can say what it is wrong with him. All I know is that he changed hugely after the MMR. It has been a very slow climb towards 'normality'.

He is now 12.5 and ostensibly coping as a 'normal' child. Except he has huge friendship issues and strange speech and language issues. He is not normal despite what the tests say and his peers at school bully him because he is not normal. It has taken us nearly 11 years of very hard graft to get him where he is. All I know is he had the MMR and then regressed hugely. I believe the MMr affects children in many ways that haven't even been investigated yet . I believe that one day it will all come out, the truth of it.

This is an old post, but I thought I'd reply as I have great concerns with the MMR. I think immunizations are important, vital. I only wish single MMR jabs were available. I'm aware of Wakefield now, though I didn't then. I really don't have an opinion one way or another.

I currently have the most darling 5 year old daughter a mom would ever hope for. She has had all of her immunizations on an alternative schedule, except the MMR. Here is why I'm concerned. Do note, given my own experience working in medicine and associations with those who work in politics, I could care less that studies suggest the MMR doesn't cause Autism. I know with my own eyes it absolutely does. It's not common, but it absolutely happens.

To those parents who have witnessed their child(ren) regress DIRECTLY after the MMR, you are not crazy. I've seen it too. I live across the pond from most of you, in the US. I worked in a school for children with autism directly after college in 2002, when I first heard about fears over the MMR. I, too, thought it was a crazy notion, that parents believed an immunization actually caused their children's autism. Then, I saw the evidence. Pictures, videos, real documentation of vibrant, very normal kids laughing, playing, speaking at a stage expected for their age group. Then, they received the MMR. Immediate regression, not within just days, within hours. Hours.

To those who have children unaffected, I know how easy it is to believe the MMR Autism link is nothing but nonsense. I disbelieved the correlation too. Talk to a mom who has evidence contrary and you very well may change your mind. I don't know what the politics are like in the UK, but in the US, just about anyone I know, and I work in medicine mind you, would laugh hysterically if one were to say they trust the CDC or the FDA. Nothing could be more laughable. I certainly can't believe a study backing them up.

My own theory is that because measles, mumps, rubella all have a potential to cause encephalitis, which can lead to brain damage, the combo shot makes a small percentage of the population susceptible to Autism. I know many of you could break apart that statement, but without going into detail, that's the consensus of what I believe. Regardless, I've seen with my own eyes evidence that calls into question the safety of the MMR.

Sorry to hear about your experience with your ds op.

Ds had mmr jab and is exactly as he was before, no change at all and no sign of autism. He's almost 4.

What others have said, there is no link and thousands upon thousands of children have the jab every year with no ill effects. Unlike catching any of the diseases it prevents.

My 3 were all exactly the same in themselves but I was happier knowing they were vaccinated diseases that could cause them significant harm.

It does not cause autism. It just doesn't. That doesn't mean people are saying that you're child doesn't have autism and it isn't difficult, it means that correlation does not equal causation.

Even if it did, I would rather have an autistic live child than a dead one from the very real and very dangerous diseases the jabs protect them from.

Oops just saw the original date of first post and that this has been bumped years on. Why do that?

Because someone has an agenda and wants to hide behind an old thread rather than starting their own.

Mine was the same afterwards. He had autism before the jab and still had it afterwards.

Ds3 was odd before MMR and still odd after it and was subsequently diagnosed with autism at two and a half. Dd2 was entirely the opposite, happy, loving and sociable until thirteen months when she lost all her skills and so no longer waved,clapped,smiled or talked. She was diagnosed with autism just after her second birthday. She had MMR a week after diagnosis with no worsening of her autistic behaviours.

All three of mine had the jabs and all are absolutely fine.

This I think says for me what I believe about perceived the link between MMR and autism.

There IS a link between any vaccinations and things like autism and other developmental disorders.

But it is rare and occurs because of brain damage. Basically severe reactions to the vaccine. But you'd know. There wouldn't just be a jab and then they changed. There would be a jab, a severe reaction, a hospital stay, then the subsequent damage can cause a form of autism.

Ah I see. Zombie post.

My DSs autism is caused by brain damage due to some sort of strange disorder that no one knows about yet apparently.

But it's called 'a typical autism' because of this.

Mine have all had the jab. One has ASD. He had it before the jab. I work in the field, so I already knew. I can see how one could make the connection though, the jab was given at the point where his lack of speech and social awareness were becoming very obvious.

DS absolutely fine.

2 close relatives are 'on the spectrum' though - oh hang on, that was waaaaay before MMR was brought in (now in their 40s and 50s respectively).

Diagnosis is generally made around the time of MMR immunisation age, as that is when a child is really coming on in leaps and bounds with their language and communication skills.

No difference

no
both dc are fine

it appears though that this vaccine is given at a time when devopment problems can become apparent but it seems that there is no real connection.

Mine was absolutely fine after it. I was very worried because of all the scaremongering but my DD is exceptionally talkative and very empathetic!

At the time I felt it helped asking friends if they'd had it (well their kids) and seeing them all automatically say yes of course -- It was obvious I was being crazy and irrational.

I found that this video really helped too!! []