More campaigning: this time on chemicals & the environment

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Anyone who cares about having a clean environment free of toxic chemicals to live in, please sign this

wwf petition

More info (copied and pasted from an email they sent me): As a result of the poor regulation of the chemicals industry, there is not one person, or animal, on Earth that has not been exposed to a cocktail of man-made chemicals - from a polar bear in the Arctic, to a tree-frog in the tropical rainforest, to a new born baby in Britain.

Within the next five months the EU, led by the UK Government, will decide how effective the new chemicals regulation (known as REACH) will be at protecting the environment and the health of our children and wildlife for generations to come.

Please join WWF in asking the Prime Minister to persuade other European politicians to stop exposing us and our environment to toxic chemicals.

long term as in the effect over a lifetime or over several generations.

it has been around for a long time, but that doesn't mean it is harmless. lead cosmetics were around for a long time before anyone realised it was a bad idea.

FGS, Lunachic...what a stupid site.

Yeah, but since the Enlightenment (pardon the pun)?

yes but the point is other better ingredients could be used but they are not (because of cost ) these products were not developed for skincare(the were developed for use in the chemical industry) they are used because their chemical properties fit the bill and because they are cheap not because they are good for skin in their own right

because you make posts saying.. if only they knew... I am asking knew what.

Can we get to the point and not have this dilly dally crap. Parallels between drinking water and bleach are not helpful because, well water comes out of the tap - not bleach for starters.

I was showing assumption earlier with regard to your post on bleach because I felt you were making assumptions also earlier. If you don´t like it and cannot answer my or others questions then please have the good grace to leave this as a petition only thread.

"Better" is not a very well defined term though. What do you mean by better chemicals?

Aloe Vera is on your list...I thought greenies liked that.

most of them started being used in skin care in the 50s when knowledge wasnt quite as advanced as today
i personally think in todays world we should know better than to harm ourselves or the environment unnecessarily

better ingredients NOT always chemicals
have a look at this site
they have a philosophy to use make toxin free products with minimum impact on the enviroment
the guy who founded the company and haeds the research is a chemist himself who found the ingredients used in household products abborhent

If only they knew...because thread of this nature demonstrate that there is very little knowledge of what really goes on in the chemical industry. Anyone would think you believed that effluent was poured straight down the drain and solid waste burned in open pits. It's really not like that in real life.

I put far more trust in the large multi-national companies than any small fly-by-night that trades on green credentials alone. They only get away with it because they are too small and insignificant to make it onto the radar screen and are under very little public/government or industry scrutiny.

err mean
this site

aloe vera is full of a lot of weird things ....

very scary article in ehp about chlorinated tap water .

Makes me happy that me & my kids don't bathe that often...

i dont put any trust at all in large multinational corperations they are by theyre very nature untrustworthy with there emphasis on profit and not care of induviduals or the earth
ameriscot2005 i think you need to give your glasses a good clean or widen the horizons of your mind
dont mean to be rude but i think your way of thinking is so last century

err mean their

fqueenzebra thats interesting
glucosamine albumen and niacin in it no wonder its good to eat it !

Thats more like it AmeriScot, thank you. I agree with your point about smaller companies having the potential for using consciously or not, regulation loopholes and/or avoiding scrutiny.

But fwiw this petition is an newer generation from the older ´do you know that chemical companies pour their waste straight into the river´petition. Please do not assume in frustration that we are that wet behind the ears. It has been the bias I have been trying to indicate to you, whilst we played post tennis there for awhile.

I must cook dinner, so will be absent for awhile.

Somehow I think I know a bit more about what goes on in large companies than you, Lunachic. I'm not the one that needs to clean my glasses.

Large companies are made up of individuals who work to make the best products they can in the most efficient and ethical way they can. They have the resources to be able to do this. They can command the cleanest raw materials from their suppliers and have the ability to analyse them to make sure the products are exactly as designed. They also have the resources to thoroughly evaluate their products before selling them.

They do not find their formulations on the internet or in trade magazines, nor do they get them from the raw material suppliers.

sorry i disagree (strongly) i understand your point that they may be better regulated than smaller companies but i think an ethic based on profit and not care is fundementally untrustworthy

Aren't the small companies in it to make profit?

Oh, and do these small companies hire toxicologists, environmental scientists etc.?

yes of course but not at the cost of other ethical values

here
this company make very effective products highly researched harmless to us and environment and make a tidt profit too
this is the sort of company i advocate read their philosophy and see if you agree

so how come you can still buy PVC baby bottles?

how come spillages still happen so often?

how come some household cleaning products still contain phosphates?

when was the last time research showing up dangerous effects of a product was published by one of the chemical companies? publically funded research seems to come up with new warnings quite often.

more regulation is very much needed.

thre is a lot in this world that is wrong just because it is supported by the majority doesnt mean it is right
just because large companies with a large number of employees make large profits doesnt make them right/gods /ethically sound

That company doesn't tell us anything about their products though. It's all on trust. And they ask you to pay a membership - big red herring.

you dont have to pay a member ship to buy actually (only to buy at reduced rate)
and every product has its ingredients listed on the site
and the products are fab i use them and i know

eg heres an airfreshner with ingredients listed