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What do you think about "not doing anything" when children are at school/nursery?

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morningpaper · 19/05/2005 12:04

My daughter's peers are starting nurseries ... and I'm finding myself really SHOCKED at the fact that my mummy-friends aren't doing anything with their time while their children are out of the home. I asked a friend last week what she did and she said "Oh I just get home, tidy up a bit, have a coffee - and then I have to pick him up again!"

As I work from home there is ALWAYS some work I can do. I also do voluntary work and could always do with more time to get stuff done.

I also don't understand why their partners are happy with them just taking 'mornings off' to themselves - aren't they a bit miffed?

I'm probably just jealous but I can't help but think that they are just plain lazy! What do other people feel about this?!

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PuffTheMagicDragon · 19/05/2005 23:19

lol

hatsoff · 19/05/2005 23:22

at this thread. I think Lon's comment about SAHM sponging off their husbands is perhaps the most offensive I have ever seen on mn (and there's been a few...)Does that mean that working fathers sponge (childcare) off their sahm-wives? (and I'm not a sahm mum)

Cam · 19/05/2005 23:30

Bizarre thing to do, changing your name to post something offensive (and one of the things mooted as unacceptable reason to name-change in a previous discussion)
Let's face it if you're happy with your own point of view you wouldn't change your name, also if you thought people would disagree with you and you couldn't face that, there is always the option of not posting

Like I said, there's a full moon in the offing

bossykate · 20/05/2005 00:06

soapbox, thank you for your comments this evening trying to get this back to some sort of perspective. i agree with what you've said - especially about the hours between 9 - 3.

what has really pissed me off about this thread is how somehow the fire has been turned on WOHMs when the original comments came from a SAHM! How did that happen? Hmmm, not that hard to guess actually.

bossykate · 20/05/2005 00:09

actually, i really wish i could say "4" to these threads... but i do care.

Caligula · 20/05/2005 08:00

bossykate, no fire has been turned on WOHMs. Fire has been turned on posters who have implied that SAHMs are living unproductive, worthless, indeed "sponging" lives.

I haven't seen one single comment on here which condemns WOHMs in the same way.

tigermoth · 20/05/2005 12:52

I must tell you about a certain male friend of mine.. shackles rise at the thought of him (and he's relevant to this discussion, I think) ... but first I must get up to speed and plough my way through this thread - it's kicked off, right? back later!

tigermoth · 21/05/2005 09:04

ah, meant hackles rise

I think the half day nursery slot is just right for some down time. After years of looking after under 3s anyone deserves it.

But I do feel differently about a parent of a school age children and plans to do stay at home full time. If you can afford to do this, if your partner earns enough for you not to have a job, then you are very lucky. I wish I was you! If you say you love it, know how lucky you are, then good luck to you. If you also fit in voluntary work, school help, studying, great -as long as you keep saying how lucky you are to be able to do this.

I do have a problem with parents who are not employed, don't study or do voluntary work, don't help with a business or organisiation, don't have children or relatives to care for, but still think their working life is just as full of pressure as those who go out to work full time.

I have been a full time SAHM, but only due to insurance pay outs and a legacy. The rest of the 11 years I've been a mother, I have been the main, full time working breadwinner. For a couple of those years, I had two jobs,(12 hour days, 6 days a week) to keep us financially about water. My dh has had jobs and a business, but not as well paid as mine - and he has spent more time being at home full time than me. For the last year, finally, we are both in reasonably well paid, reasonably family friendly jobs that we like. This for us is by far the happiest solution. My dh is a much happier person now he is has a job he likes. I am much happier person because he is happier, more fulfilled and has lifted the financial burden from me.

Speaking as the main breadwinner, when I was working those long hours, it totally pissed me off that my partner was not contributing financially to our familiy. It didn't matter how much housework, cooking and childcare he did (and he did lots). It was valuable work, but it was inappropriate work for the situation we as a family were in. I was near to physical and mental collapse but because the jobs were 'interesting' and I was pretty good at them, no one took my complaints seriously. I have encountered women whose partners work long, stressful hours, who say their husband love their work, who are not well off, who can work but choose not to, and I cannot understand it. And it makes me angry.

I haven't got round to saying anything about my best male friend. He and his partner have no children. He doesn't have to care for anyone. His wife works in the city and earns good money. He has spent the last 10 years studying on and off, as and when he wants, going to the gym, shopping for the house, collecting antiques, and when I see him, he tells me how busy he is, every bit as busy as me, and isn't life hard. I could hit him! Now if he said, 'aren't I lucky' I'd have no problems at all.

PuffTheMagicDragon · 21/05/2005 09:39

I agree with much of what you say tigermoth - interesting post.

Moomin · 21/05/2005 09:57

WTF does it matter what everyone else does with their time all day?! The whole problem with this thread is that, for some reason, we(*) are a breed that loves making comments about other's lives and lifestyles, judging what others do so that it reflects well on us or, if we're not so confident/smug, we feel very guilty about the way we live and how we bring up our children.

*'we' can apply to: people who have children / people who use mumsnet / sahm / go-to-work mums/dads.... WHATEVER!

I like catterick's comment the best as it sums up just how paranoid/suspicious/judgmental we all are about what 'everyone else' seems to do with their lives.

Cam · 21/05/2005 10:12

I think these things have to be agreed by the couple. My dh, for example, infinitely prefers me to look after dd than to pay someone else. Luckily for him, I sgree. That's the core of it, so we arrange our lives in a way that that is possible.

SoupDragon · 21/05/2005 10:12

What really pisses me of is the assumption that I am not contibuting financially to our family. What about the cost of before/after school care that we don't have to pay out? What about the cost of holiday play schemes we don't have to fork out for? How about the holiday we don't have to take if they children are ill? How about the cost of childcare not covered by the 2.5 hours per day free pre-school? No, I'm not making a financial contribution at all by doing those things we would have to pay someone else to do am I?

Cam · 21/05/2005 10:14

We posted the same point at the same time sd

Hermione1 · 21/05/2005 10:15

Are they not intitled to have a morning off??

ScummyMummy · 21/05/2005 10:39

I think that's a brilliant post, Tigermoth.

SoupDragon · 21/05/2005 10:46

I think it's a crp post because of the phrase "my partner was not contributing financially to our familiy". Not contributing financially yet he was doing lots of childcare? Hmm... so that'll be less money going out* of the family which is much the same as more money coming in.

ScummyMummy · 21/05/2005 10:47

People with choices can be underappreciative, I find. Myself included.

assumedname · 21/05/2005 10:50

Did you ever tell your partner that you were near physical and mental collapse, Tigermoth? And that you'd like him to get a job?

WigWamBam · 21/05/2005 10:50

I agree with Moomin and SoupDragon, and I'm going to join Soupy in spitting feathers, being a burden and ignoring this thread.

lemonice · 21/05/2005 10:51

thread too long for my withered brain to concentrate on but a ringing endorsement from me for the basic premise

GeorginaA · 21/05/2005 10:54

There are always choices - some or most of the options may well be completely cruddy and not worth choosing, but there are always choices.

I think much of the shit stuff in life is much more bearable if you feel you can have some choice over the details, even if it's only small choices. But then again, that might be because I'm a control freak...

ScummyMummy · 21/05/2005 10:55

Ooops- cross posted, Wasn't suggesting for a second that you were underappreciative, soupdragon.

I'm guessing that more balance was what T'moth was after? So that if her dh had been able to find work outside the home the stressful burden on her to be sole breadwinner would be reduced and she is happy enough to share the childcare/housework? Makes sense to me and I don't think it was intended as a knock to people who are happy with more polarised roles.

"I do have a problem with parents who are not employed, don't study or do voluntary work, don't help with a business or organisiation, don't have children or relatives to care for, but still think their working life is just as full of pressure as those who go out to work full time." seems an important point to me. And would hardly apply to you, soupy. Don't you have pre-schoolers?

Gobbledigook · 21/05/2005 10:57

As ever, I'm with Soupy too.

JoolsToo · 21/05/2005 10:57

that kind of comment always rattles me SD!!!

if someone is resentful of their partner being a SAHP there's something amiss imho!

ScummyMummy · 21/05/2005 11:05

Why, Joolstoo? I would resent my partner if he chose to stay home full time, I must say. We have school age kids, a small flat that we live in messily and neither have a particular interest in tidying. I want to work and I want time with him and my boys. If he chose to stay home f/t I would not get as much time with him and my boys because I'd have to work longer hours. Meanwhile he would get a lovely rest except during the holidays when he would get to do ALL the fun things with the boys that I would like to share in. That's not fair, is it?