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Any American mums feeling out of place?

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Foz · 19/05/2005 12:01

I have been living in the north with DH and DS (20 mnths) and just don't feel like I fit in. I miss my girlfriends in the states and find it so much easier to make friends in the US. I think it is to do with the british culture of privacy. I go to these toddler groups and other mums don't really talk to each other.

So, just feeling a bit lonely and homesick...anyone else?

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pabla · 19/05/2005 12:18

I'm not from the US but I'm not British and I do understand what you mean. I really didn't feel at home here until my dd started school and I made more friends with the other mums that way. However, I had been working full time up to that point and although I had stayed in touch with some women I had met while on maternity leave didn't know anyone in my local community as we had moved from one part of town to another when dd was 2.5 and I was out at work all day.

I don't know what to suggest really, maybe try some other toddler groups until you find a better one. I had always thought people in the north would be more friendly (I'm in the SE). Maybe if your ds starts at a playgroup when he is a bit older you will get to know the other mums from there.

I have a couple of neighbours who totally blank me if we pass in the street but their husbands always says hello. As we have lived here for over five years they obviously know I am a neighbour. I personally think it is just rude but maybe someone else can explain it away from a cultural point of view.

starlover · 19/05/2005 12:21

not american sorry.. in fact, I am british.., but I feel the same about mother and toddler group!

I think you have to bite the bullet and just start chatting to people. Once I get brave enough to talk to someone it's usually fine!

lunarx · 19/05/2005 12:26

foz> as another american living in england, (i've been here about 2 years on and off), i often feel out of place and uneasy. but its become a bit easier since having ds, although it takes time and a lot of effort. i havent found a local mom and baby group, mostly because we've recently moved.. but in other situations i've found that once i get talking, i'm okay..
hang in there, it gets easier..

(a good website for americans in the uk is:
UK Yankee - you will find so many others there who can relate to how you are feeling (especially about making friends here, etc etc...) ) =)

take care....

Dahlia · 19/05/2005 12:27

Hi Foz,
In my experience of mother & toddler groups in this country, they are very very cliquey - I stopped going to them as I am quite shy anyway and it was extremely hard to get talking to anyone as they all seemed to know each other. Whereabouts do you live?

expatinscotland · 19/05/2005 12:28

I'm American. Don't feel a bit out of place here and enjoy making British friends - mums and not mums. My husband is Scots and my child is as well.

I've never had a child in the US, so I have nothing to compare it to.

But I've also never had a problem forming lasting friendships wherever I go - even in places where there was a language barrier. When I went to a M&T group that I found unfriendly, I went to other ones till I found one that worked.

I think it comes from knowing who you are and being comfortable and relaxed with it, being interested in other people, and seeing life as a never-ending process of learning. Being flexible and adaptable is a bonus.

almostanangel · 19/05/2005 12:30

foz! were not private were very nosey and friendly you ve just met the wrong ones

DaddyCool · 19/05/2005 12:51

i find it suprising you're having trouble making friends. when i first came over most people would hear the accent and ask me about my backround etc etc. do you work or are you a SAHM?

I want to emigrate (again!) but my dw is worried about making friends/fitting in in Australia.

lunarx · 19/05/2005 12:57

:nods: the accent is a plus to starting conversations sometimes, but i went to a mum and baby group back where i lived, and ds was only 4 months old and i felt so out of place, the woman i was talking to, (i talked to her first!) got up and left. i felt so down after that. my confidence about going to those groups took a beating, but like all things, when we fall down, we gotta get up again. some groups are very cliquey and thats just how it is, so look for other groups and try those. also maybe a baby swim time or something like that? (or tumbletots?)

i go thru fits of bad homesickness from time to time.. just missing family and friends and denny's and wal-mart and little things and my old car and my cat .... you're not alone!!

if you want to, foz, feel free to email me, am always up for a good chat about 'back home' =)
([email protected])

Lucycat · 19/05/2005 12:58

Where in the north are you?

There are bound to be some MNers in your area, who can suggest fun, non cliquey type places to go! Welcome to England by the way!

Amanda1 · 19/05/2005 13:03

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almostanangel · 19/05/2005 13:40

oh my [blush ] dc has an american accent[swoooooon] how shallow am i?

DaddyCool · 19/05/2005 13:45

... i'm actually canadian. my accent now has a weird twang to it and apparently i sound kind of irish.

almostanangel · 19/05/2005 13:49

oh just listen am all a quiver and feel like singing im a lumber jack lol

almostanangel · 19/05/2005 13:50

argh a cross between ronan keeting and a lumberjack[falls on the floor and fans herself with a wing]

DaddyCool · 19/05/2005 14:03

ronan keeting is an arse.

Amanda1 · 19/05/2005 14:17

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DaddyCool · 19/05/2005 14:22

i'm from Peterborough, Ontario, just a little east of Toronto.

my grandad lives in Saanich, Victoria (Vancouver Island) though.

almostanangel · 19/05/2005 14:24

[sulk] you said that in such a nice accent ,,irish yes ?

Amanda1 · 19/05/2005 14:25

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DaddyCool · 19/05/2005 14:28

here i am! pmsl.

DaddyCool · 19/05/2005 14:30

i know barrie well. i saw the tragically hip at molson park in barrie (what seemed about a hundred years ago). i'm not quite sure where sarnia is. i think it's quite close but i can't remember.

almostanangel · 19/05/2005 14:30

i wont press it i wont press it ,,i ........arrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!! hmph you dont look like your voice!

DaddyCool · 19/05/2005 14:31

.. that isn't me by the way. my profile with picture is in the members profile area, way down the list. i look about 14 years old in it.

Gizmo · 19/05/2005 14:32

OK, very slight thread tangent here, but to me it is interesting why us Brits are more ?closed? socially.

Speaking personally, I am very confident (positively bumptious!) socially yet I know I can be quite reserved with people I don?t know. In fact, I don?t talk a lot about my emotional status except with a very close group of friends, and even then only when something is really troubling me. All around me I see people who work on a similar basis. They are polite and pleasant when you first meet them, and in fact you can get on with them very well on an intellectual level, but at each phase where a friendship becomes more profound - the first time you go out for a coffee, the first time you go round to their house, the first time you are invited to a social event they are organising ? there is quite a lot of agonising about it.

I?m just getting to know a really nice woman, for example, who I see regularly in one context and whose company I enjoy, but I?m debating whether to move the friendship up a level by suggesting we meet up for a coffee outside that context. Why?

Well?firstly, I?m highly selective about my close friendships. I view them as a responsibility as well as a resource in my life and I do have loads of friends already who I don?t see enough of. More significantly from a cultural point of view, I have an inbred notion that, while I am convinced that I am a warm and wonderful human being, spending ages talking about myself, particularly to people who don?t know me, is very dull for them. Obviously this doesn?t apply on the web, thank God

In addition, asking relative strangers questions that touch upon potentially ?difficult? areas for them, which is largely their motivations for doing stuff, has always felt uncomfortable. I don?t think you?ll find many Brits who?ll ask a stranger on first acquaintance: ?so why do you have two children?? or something like that: we?d be too worried that the real reason was some dreadful, hurtful trauma and that we?d then need to spend the next two hours handing out the tissues and counselling said stranger through their reaction, all the while getting more and more panicky about the next tactless thing we?re about to say. Consequently I imagine for people from more open societies, it must feel like you can know a Brit for ages without knowing the first thing about them.

The basic norm of our society is to be emotionally quite self sufficient. Blitz spirit, kinda thing. This means that social interaction is prompted more by a notion of politeness (which is still, despite all the media handwringing, an issue of massive importance here) than by an idea of immediate, intimate, emotional give and take. Unfriendly cliques of mums are just being plain rude, IMHO, but of course, one woman?s ?unfriendly clique? is another woman?s ?coffee group who have just noticed the new mum and are considering (in our slow, British, way) if she would like to come for a playdate?.

Don?t know if that helps, or even reflects other people?s experiences. The plus side of us taking our time about forming friendships is that when we do, they are very precious to us (see my comments above)- stick at it and I promise we?ll come good!

Amanda1 · 19/05/2005 14:32

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