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francagoestohollywood · 09/06/2009 13:41

welcome!

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McCloudsextoy · 18/08/2009 19:45

for instance the other day this boy who is normally nice, on the shy side, started playing with a ball and crashing it against plants in the garden,,,told him off but he carried on, only stopped when the ball went over the fence. then a bit later ds was shouting at him, came down and the boy was pushing the armchair through the sitting room...told him off but he looked at me in a defiant way..was shocked as this boy is normally good, ds likes him a lot, play a lot at school, but the other day i was tempted to throw him out for lack of respect...

McCloudsextoy · 18/08/2009 19:47

What is Sarah Waters like? And got rid of an Enright after reading one page. Always suspicious of novels who are rated a lot in British newspapers, see McEwan.

Be back later in case you also don't have a life..

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 18/08/2009 19:59

agree re McEwan who I do not get. Never read anything by the other two.

re: playdate, it has never happend tbh. Only once dd1 had a friend over who although a year older and apparently very bubbly was a bit of a wingeing PITA. I could not say anything as there was nothing to say, but I did say that did ask a few times to be taken home etc.

I'd like to say that I'd say something, especially if it is a behavious of the likes you experienced. The reality is I'd probably shut up and not invite ever again! boh. will let you know when it happens.

off to watch sarah beeny. might be on later.

Penthesileia · 18/08/2009 20:05

Hey all.

Re: Sophie's Choice, I've still not finished (reading other stuff, too much time on the internet ), but I agree, to a certain extent, about your analysis. A bit disappointing.

There is an element of unreliable narrator/youthful narrator though, I suppose: Sophie is not the best or most reliable teller of her own tale/Stingo is looking back at the young idiot he was/the "deception" of Nathan: so perhaps some of the superficiality/stereotyping, etc. is meant to generate that impression. However, I think that - on the whole - if this is his strategy, it doesn't work very well (particularly since he frequently alludes to these ideas, so it's rather "in your face").

Agree that there are too many themes, or at least too many for him to manage successfully. Again, however, I wonder whether this isn't "deliberate", in the sense that the superfluity of themes mirrors the superfluity of horror - things moving out of control, etc.; plus, as a young editor at the beginning of the book, it is ironic that he can't "edit" his own tale, that it runs away from him, to a degree.

Have already implied that I found the Nathan/Sophie thing a bit soap-operaish.

Also, the Nathan as great predictor of things to come (e.g. success of Jewish American writers; invention of the tape WTF???!) is just a bit naff, IYSWIM. I dislike that kind of retrospective "prophecy" in fiction.

Anyway, I still need to finish in order to say more...

Nanny going ok, although DD still being resistant and a bit sad.

McCloudsextoy · 18/08/2009 21:01

Thank you Penthe! Love your writing. Do any of you want to read a book with me to discuss online?

Just watched Snakes and Ladders, goodness scary people not selling their developments...and is Beeny pregnant again?

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 18/08/2009 21:39

was wondering the same about beeny and 4th child. will google now. that started a non-argument about 3rd child with dh .

yes I thought so too that he wanted to put all these layers to mirror the way life really is but he failed totally. I cannot think at the moment of a book that did this successfully but when they do you just know it as it feels like real life.

oh and yes about Nathan being the greatest and the baddest, how obvious - as if in life it is really like that.

anyway enough. Penthe tell us more when you fifinsh it, if you ever. I was so tempted to stop it half way if not for wanting to read about this choice and because I wanted to discuss it.

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 18/08/2009 21:43

yup 3 and one on the way. 36 year old. blimey she's always pg.

Penthesileia · 18/08/2009 21:45

Ha - I saw Beany (Beaney? sp?) on one of those Saturday morning cooking shows looking up-the-duff, and was amazed at her constant state of preggers-ness. She is one fertile lady.

Hey, ladies - in the new spirit of Daily Mail paranoia, I have a related thing to tell you, but don't want to mention it here... Check your email!

Penthesileia · 18/08/2009 21:54

If I spent less time MN-ing, and more time reading, I would've finished SC yonks ago. I suck. Boooo.

McCloudsextoy · 18/08/2009 21:55

is your dp keen to have a 3rd one then pippi?

she only has boys hasnt she? i like her lots i must say....

will check email..

McCloudsextoy · 18/08/2009 21:59

so anyone up for reading something else all together?

Penthesileia · 18/08/2009 22:03

What have you got in mind?

McCloudsextoy · 18/08/2009 22:21

Well I am up for anything. On my list I have War and Peace, bits of Proust, a Doris Lessing, checkov's plays (retry), and cannot rememmber what else.
what is on your list?

Penthesileia · 18/08/2009 22:28

Native Son
The Golden Notebook
The Road (trashy, and am too scared to read it, actually )
The Kindly Ones (bought it ages ago, still not read it... )

Also, need to re-read lots of stuff for work next semester:

loads of theory stuff
Marx, Nietzsche, Freud
Joyce
a stack of novels and poems for another course
etc.: Woolf, Orwell, MacNeice, Graves, Lawrence, etc.

Are you going to read Proust in French?

McCloudsextoy · 18/08/2009 22:46

yes in French, have read the first 2 parts, but found A l'ombre really hard going and kept forgetting bitses.

Which Woolf do you have to read? I only read To the lighthouse and Ms Dalloway, would love to re-read the first one. Which one are in your opinion her best? This reminds me I have a book about her entitled All that summer she was mad, lol, have not read it, but bought it 2nd hand for the title, very trashy. Povera Virginia.

McCloudsextoy · 18/08/2009 22:48

War and Peace? Can I tempt you with it? REad it as a teenager, skipping the war pages which I found so dull, but would like to retry now that I am older and wiser (NOT).

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 19/08/2009 07:25

I can do War and Peace. Have to go and get it though.
I also have The Road on my pile and Native Son and The Golden Notebook which I have started and not able to continue.

Off to read email.

No I said to dh " oh do you know sometimes I think I could have a 3rd one ..." and he went " NO WAY!!!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH "

and I wasn't even that serious. At least now I know where he is at.

McCloudsextoy · 19/08/2009 09:00

It is odd I never think of a third one....la mia famiglia e' completa.

If we do W and P of course we will never be able to mumsnet, email, infact do anything at all....I would suggest reading it in Italian though Pippi, I have the Leone Ginzburg translation infact i doubt any translator has tampered with it, maybe Franca knows. More than a book club it would become a support group for getting through those long war scenes that made no sense to me....And then we could watch the movie with Audrey Hepburn.

McCloudsextoy · 19/08/2009 09:00

or maybe it was not Katherine Hepburn.boh.

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 19/08/2009 09:18

If you can wait till I get back I'll get it in italian. Lots of weight in the suitcase.

btw I meant The Golden Notebook that I could not finish. Have not started the other two.

Like I said to you the other day I cannot say it is complete but at the same time I do not want to go through the whole pg first year business. Also DH's point is that with a third he'd feel so much more under pressure to support them and feels is life wil be over. I can see his point so I hope that this will make me stop thinking about it.

francagoestohollywood · 19/08/2009 11:37

Beeney's pregnant again? I envy her energy.

Mc Cloud I'm not sure why I bought the Enright book, given that last year I read The Gathering and was totally nonplussed. I probably bought it because it was one of the few books in english on sale which wasn't chick lit. It's a collection of short stories. Only 2 are actually worth reading.

I liked Sarah Waters the nightwatch, it is set in London during ww2, so, my kind of thing. Not a masterpiece, but very coinvolgente.

I read The road. Not sure I'm up for Proust. I could be tempted into War and Peace...

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McCloudsextoy · 19/08/2009 14:18

What is Jessica Mitford like? I wanted to read a book of letters the Mitford sisters wrote to each other...
Franca your book is on its way...

Boiling here, ds with his favourite playdate, all day in the garden, perfect day...baby asleep...

Actually a perfect day would be alone with a book.

francagoestohollywood · 19/08/2009 14:27

Oooooooooooooooooh thanks mccloud.

Hons and Rebels is an account of JM's childhood and giovinezza, very interesting.

I need to force ds on his homeworks, but he is too busy playing "boats"...

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TheMysticMasseuse · 19/08/2009 21:07

ciiiiaaaooo ragazze!! how are you???

just back from holiday and a bit shell-shocked. was lovely, dh and even managed to escape Saudi Calabria and the kids for 24 hours of blissful coupledom in Matera (have you ever been? it's absolutely amazing!! who would have thought). Now back to work, and to the nightmarish reality that i will have to move to switzerland in 3 months!!!!!!

aaarrrgghhhhhh

who's pregnant? i so want a 3rd child but then rationally i think it's madness. will be spending 2 months without dh here in london and i am sure that will cure me of any delusions to add to the workload family.

i read so much crap on holidays (mostly the Stieg Larsson trilogy which is really, really bad) and this morning was idly wondering whether i should read Ayn Rand or whether i can survive without it? what do you smart lot think?

baci a tutte

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 19/08/2009 22:14

Welcome back MM. You sound fantastic. Must have had a great holiday, especially the Matera bit .

Ayn Rand ... think you have missed the boat tbh. It is one of these author that you should read at 18. I read it then (someone said that every waiter/ress in the world had read AR and it is sooo true!) and the anarchic in me thought: "wow"!. I think about it often now and think - what crap!

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