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any smokers? come and talk to me about it-i don't understand.

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themildmannneredjanitor · 22/09/2008 11:46

i didn't want to hijack faq's thread so i will start my own.

basically-why do you do it? how do you sleep at night when you know what it does to you?

i know about the addiction thing but i know some smokers don't want to give it up as they enjoy it too much.

it's bizzarre!!!!!

[[http://www.freewebs.com/soaring_sphincter_travel_agency/smokers%20lungs.jpg this] is a good reason to stop surely?

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ivykaty44 · 22/09/2008 12:40

MMJ - read Alan Carr's book on how to stop smoking and it will give you an insight to how and why smokers do what they do.

Also did you know that smoking is more addictive than heroin...

So a big, very big pat on the back to anyone that has given up the evil weed.

babyangels · 22/09/2008 12:40

Not being ignorant, this is the week I watched a tiny baby die as a result of his mother do nothing wrong in her pregnancy. So, I know first hand the pain of losing a child or any other member of a family so cannot understand why people would willingly do something as selfish as smoking which may result in the death of themselves or another. You wouldnt ride in a car without a seatbelt so why run this risk.

Maybe I am harsh but I am extremely angry at how little value people give to life and how fragile it is.

MarlaSinger · 22/09/2008 12:41

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FAQ · 22/09/2008 12:41

I use filters.

I don't know whether all the extra stuff they use in cigarettes to keep them burning (another reason I prefer roll ups - as I can put it in the ash tray and smoke the rest later without having to stub it out) is more dangerous that smoking tobacco through a filter?

MarlaSinger · 22/09/2008 12:43

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themildmannneredjanitor · 22/09/2008 12:43

well fatti-it's a bit of both really ! i think smokers are daft as brushes really but i am genuninely interested in how people can do it when they know how dangerous it is.

it's an interesting conversation so i don't see aproblem really.

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onager · 22/09/2008 12:44

Smoking carries a risk, but so do all activities. There is a small risk of damaging your body from watching TV, eating steak, cycling, driving, making love and so on. That's before you get onto really dangerous stuff like skiiing, mountaineering etc. The anti-smoking campaigns have convinced people that there are two choices. Safe or smoking.

A really cautious person could spend their life wrapped in a duvet. Terrified that they could stub their toe and that it would get infected and kill them.

If they are really cautious they might live a few years longer than me. Most of that spent stuck in a chair in a home for the old and unwanted.

anyone who has ever tried smoking knows that the first time it is foul and makes you feel sick or cough - why do it over and over again?>>

I remember my first one and it didn't make me sick or cough, it felt good. I guess it varies from person to person.

Whereas I would rather drink no wine, than shit wine.>>

This might be true of some people, but I recall when younger how we'd count up our money to see how much cider that would buy because that was the cheapest. Also there is a dictionary entry for 'Alcoholic'

FAQ · 22/09/2008 12:44

well babyangels - as on this thread there are a mixture of ex-smokers (the very worst kind of people disclaimer: JOKE), current smokers, and those that have never smoked, no-one else has seen fit to be so rude to anyone else about their choices/reasoning for smoking.

MarlaSinger · 22/09/2008 12:45

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FAQ · 22/09/2008 12:47

x posts with TMMJ describing me as

"daft as a brush"

babyangels · 22/09/2008 12:47

i only know my story and hope somebody can take something from it. i wont shut up as i need to vent my anger at somebody and rather at this than something stupid like somebody cutting in front of me. I dont wish to upset anyone but i feel like screaming when i see people sticking their head in the sand and pretending their not harming themselves and others.

themildmannneredjanitor · 22/09/2008 12:47

the closest i could get to any of this is alcohol.

i love the feeling when you have a strong gin and tonic after a hard day.

however i can quite happily go without alcohol for any length of time with no ill effect whatsoever.

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MarlaSinger · 22/09/2008 12:47

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themildmannneredjanitor · 22/09/2008 12:48

daft as a brush isn't offensive though is it?

babyangels-maybe start another thread to talk about what is bothering you?

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onager · 22/09/2008 12:49

babyangels, there is a horrific story about a drunk women driver in the MN news section. If you have ever had even one drink you must have been ok with risking other peoples lives for your pleasure. Even one impairs judgement and if not enough to cause you to run over a child it IS enough to convince you that "one more will be ok. just to be polite" and that's how it goes.

My smoking (when I do. not right now) affects me only.

anorak · 22/09/2008 12:50

Fattipuffs it's because smokers smell really disgusting to a non-smoker, and the whole area where they smoke does too. Smokers love to gripe about how victimized they are by non-smokers, but they conveniently ignore the fact that they make the whole environment around them gross for other people.

Pubs/restaurants etc are so much more pleasant now that smoking isn't allowed in them, but I am old and I can remember when I was small and smoking was allowed everywhere, how much I dreaded that sound of matches being struck, which I knew would be followed by that horrible, choking, all pervading stench.

OrmIrian · 22/09/2008 12:50

What's to understand.

To a smoker a fag is wonderful, the first puff releases all the tensions of the day. It makes you feel good. It gives you something to do with your hands. It makes you feel less self-conscious in new social situations. It helps you keep weight off. Oh yes and it's addictive. I personally find it amazing that anyone who smokes ever gives up.

When it comes to the risk factor, I don't see how smoking is any different from drinking, eating crap foods, driving dangerously (or at all looking at the stats), having unsafe sex etc. It might be more or less risky than those other things but the principle is the same. You make a split second choice to do something that in other circumstances you might not choose to do, influenced by all the factors I mentioned above. Against all those is the simple one of it being unhealthy - a factor you can easily ignore in the heat of the moment. Especially if everyone else is doing it. That used to make a big difference to me - being surrounded by other smokers validated your own smoking.

babyangels · 22/09/2008 12:52

no need i'll go and leave you to talk about the hilarities of smoking and how awful it must be to stop. take comfort from each other that its actually ok, it wont happen to me and my family and its my right to choose.

CvQ · 22/09/2008 12:52

babyangels you have angered me so fucking much.how bloody dare you single me out with your stupid comment .you have NO fucking idea[anger]
i will no post on this again as i am so fucking angry

FattipuffsandThinnifers · 22/09/2008 12:55

Marla, I do understand that - I can see how seeing a loved-one destroying their health in front of you is frustrating.

TMMJ - if this is out of genuine interest (sorry if I seemed arsey/defensive, just used to seeing smoker-bashing threads on MN!), in my case I started as a teenager because I honestly thought it would make me look cool . Continued for the same reason at university etc but by then was doubtless addicted. Gave up a few times in late 20s/early 30s, gave up when pg and afterwards, but now smoke again. I feel guilty about my DS, worried about long-term health etc, but am addicted. I also enjoy smoking.

It's all irrational.

Goober · 22/09/2008 12:56

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Joolyjoolyjoo · 22/09/2008 12:59

I used to smoke, and I loved it! I started aged 24 (I know, old enough to know better), because I moved to a new job and went out with the girls who worked there, and, after cadging ciggies off them when I was drinking, I thought I'd better start buying my own. It also coincided with me becoming single again after a 7 year relationship, and trying to lose weight. It was the new, bold me, and I didn't give two hoots about the health risks. I lost 2 stone, went to the gym every night, felt and looked fab- I ran a half-marathon, so my lungs couldn't be that bad, could they?

I stopped for two reasons: mainly because we were thinking of having kids at some point in the not so distant future, but also because I got so hacked off with a government that lectured about smoking and the cost of smaokers to the NHS etc etc then hiked up the tax on tobacco to ridiculous levels "for our own good". If everyone who smokes stopped right now, the loss in revenue to the Government would be huge. I felt I was being made a mug of, so stopped to spite them!

Problem is, I found it really easy to stop- I just stopped and never looked back. So I have no incentive not to start again, or to smoke on occasion, as I know I can just stop without too much angst. So i do sometimes have a cigarette on occasion, and I enjoy it.

To those who wonder how you can live with yourself while killing yourself (interesting concept!) I would suggest that smoking is just one aspect of someone's lifestyle- someone who is grossly obese, grossly unfit or has a dreadful diet or is a careless driver might have worse odds than many smokers.

Goober · 22/09/2008 13:01

Come back CVQ.
You belong more than that twat.

FAQ · 22/09/2008 13:02

CVQ please don't get upset - as you can see she's one voice out of a lot of people on this thread who has said anything to you,.

I know where you're coming from with the "crutch" - am I the only person to find that it's impossible to keep crying and smoke a fag at the same time?

I've gone out for a fag on many occasions when I need to stop crying because I don't want the DS's to see me (or anyone else for that matter) - and it works.

themildmannneredjanitor · 22/09/2008 13:02

oh come on guys. this is a really interesting thread. don't fight.

we so seldom get the chance to really talk about stuff like this.

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