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Dropdeadfred · 08/01/2008 19:49

we got to 1000 again....made me reminisce about our original thread all those months ago

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Dropdeadfred · 04/02/2008 16:46

Thanks Phono (and again Squonk).

The more I think of it the more I belive there may be no point in writing snything to her just now. I also feel that it is pandering to her somewhat.
Apparently the fact that we finally got lucky with dd3 and she was born 4 months before their wedding is also proof that I will do anything to outshine her...

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Egg · 04/02/2008 19:39

Oh my goodness Fred, what a horrible and upsetting situation for you. It is awful anyway but the fact that you and your bro used to be so close makes it sadder still.

I think, as the others have said, that you just have to leave it for now. You have done everything you can to make everything good, offering all those options at your wedding to make it easier for her, being completely understanding in every way (and yes I also thought how did she cope with her own wedding????). Obviously it is awful whatever she went through as a child but clearly you have been nothing but supportive.

As for begrudging you attention from your family after multiple miscarriages, well anyone who says something like that is surely a little unstable. If she is having a similar experience herself then I would have thought it might help for her to talk to you, or if she doesn't want to talk about it or for anyone to know then she shouldn't be making an issue of what you went through at all. And if she is having problems she really ought to be heartened that after all your rotten luck you did finally get your lovely DD (although I guess it can be hard to think like that if you are not getting the same results).

Anyway, I feel sorry for your bro as he is in an awful situation, obviously having to decide between his wife and you, but you have done nothing whatsoever wrong, honestly nothing, and for him to tell you that if you tried to call your SIL she would hang up on you is appalling.

I am . I know I am talking crap here going on and on but I do think you need to leave it and, if worst comes to worst, just enjoy your lovely wedding with the rest of your family (does your mum know all of this?).

I am rambling .

Dropdeadfred · 04/02/2008 20:03

Thanks Egg.
Well I think I am definitely going to leave it for a while and see what happens. My mum does know everything ( me and her had a bit of a cry on the phone tonight and she said she wished he had never met her.)
The trouble is my brother loved to be needed and being the youngest in the fsmily that never seemed to happen much as he grew p...now he really has met someone who is ready to 'need' him 110% above everyone else and wants all his attention and love to be for her alone... And my bro is BEYOND LOYAL, if he loves her he really ould walk over hot coals and broken glass for her...and apparently ditch his family

She is only 25 and until last year my bro told me they were not even trying for a baby. She has never had a miscarriage. I do feel sorry for her if she thinks that she will not be valued in this family just because she may not have children. That is utter rubbish though, my mum and dad have 4 chilkdren and I am the only one to have kids. They love us all equally.To be honest I have often had moments of feeling theopposite, that my parents value me as the mother of their granchildren more than their daughter..(but that is a whole different story and irrelevant here and normally happens when I'm hormonal).
But if you love someone, as she suposedly loves my bro, then why would she go all out to make him so unhappy?

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Egg · 05/02/2008 06:59

Morning...

Agree that when my sis had kids and I didn't I certainly didn't feel any less loved, and sometimes I think my parents were quite pleased to see me and have some peace and normal conversation without children yelling and running around.

I have polycystic ovaries although do not have PCOS (not severe enough or something) and as you know took a year and a half to get DS, but I never begrudged my sister her children, although was jealous, but just because I wanted some, not that I didn't want her to have hers, and not in a nasty way. Obviously it is different if it is your own sis rather than a sis in law. I know DH's brother's girlfriend is a bit jealous of us as she wants to get married and have children and he is stalling, but she just tells us she wishes she was like us, she doesn't play silly games.

Having said all this, I guess we have to give her a bit of slack as thankfully (hopefully) none of us know what it is like to live with the effects of what happened to her as a child and while it should not excuse her treating you, or your bro or anyone badly I am sure it must play a part.

Rambling again... have had v little sleep. We had a marmite-esque night in the Egg house last night, both babies woke at 6am this morning and I only went back to bed at 5:15, but having brought them both downstairs they are now asleep again, but I can't get on and have a bath as can't leave them alone in their chairs (not even strapped in and can't do straps as it would mean unswaddling which would mean waking.....). Urghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

And I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE US ELECTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Egg · 05/02/2008 09:10

Anyone here???????????

marmitemad · 05/02/2008 09:15

Oh Fred, so sorry to hear of such an upsetting situation , I can only echo what everyone else has said and just leave all contact for a while and hope she starts to realise how unreasonable she has been.

I was much rejuvenated after my lunchtime nap yesterday and came back to work to finish the boring presentation and make 2 oil blends, hoping I get the results I need now.

We however had another horrendous night. dd now has a hacking cough and snuffly nose to go with whatever else is upsetting her. I got into our spare bed around 2am with dd sitting up against me surrounded by pillows thinking this might help her breathing and I might get a little rest while cuddling her(bad mummy I know), she eventually calmed down and went off to sleep but I couldn't relax and sat up until we went back to our own beds at around 4:30am. I very nearly texted you Egg but didn't want to wake you if you were having a good night. Tonight I may as well go in the lounge and watch some nightime tv. Will be going home for a lunchtime nap as well today.

I don't care about the US elections either but hooray for shrove tuesday, who's having pancakes tonight? (diet has flown completely out the window as I can't go to weigh in this week)

Fred, Egg & Phono - how did friday 30/05 for a meet up work for you?

Phono · 05/02/2008 09:25

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Dropdeadfred · 05/02/2008 09:49

Morning all!!

Thanks for your comments Marmite...I decided last night that I would not write any emil/letter to her and instead did something that probably made them feel worse but made me feel better.
I just texted my bro and said. 'I love you and i want you to be happy whch you are so obviously not at the moment. I will not add any pressure on you by asking you to change your mind and come. I will not contact you for a while and will email in future to ask how you both are. I wish you both health and happiness. I love you 'bro's nickname' love Fred. xxx

I now feel that I have done everything I can and it is up to them if they do not wish to come...any more people drop out and I will be able to invite you girls!!!! (I seriously would love to but numbers are very limited).
If any of you would be able to drive all the way to wales for an evening do (with Hog Roast) only then you ould be more than welcome but it is a long drive I know...

Marmite, I am so sorry to hear of you're terrible nights. I do really recall such a terible night with dd3 although she was still being breastfed at that ge and oke up twice a night. When she last had a cold e finally bought a vapouriser, we also bought the things that go under the legs of the cot at the head end to raise it slightly..these things seemed to help her breath more easily. teething powders seeme dto ork better than any medicines or gels too.
Good luck.!!
Egg - take the babies upstairs in their chairs, even in the bathroomif they would fit!! If not on the landing and leave the bathroomdoor wide open, so you can see them.

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Dropdeadfred · 05/02/2008 09:51

wow my typing is getting as bad as cod's with all the missing letters!! I mean't to say I DON@T really remeber a night like that with dd3 and she used to wake twice a night at that AGE to be fed...

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fryalot · 05/02/2008 10:45

poor egg - lack of sleep is awful
poor marmite - lack of sleep is awful
poor fred - think you did the right thing re: text to bro. He knows you love him and now it's up to him.
poor phono - you'd better tell us the underground story

I have no news here. Nowt. Nothing happening at all.

humm... that's it really

Dropdeadfred · 05/02/2008 10:52

Hi Squonk....c'mon spill. There must be SOMETHING!!!

marmite..so far for me the 30/5 sounds okay..depends where though as I don't drive

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fryalot · 05/02/2008 10:54

mmm.... dd2 at nursery.

ds watching cbeebies.

just realised that it's nearly time to go and collect dd2 and had a panic that I had forgotten the time and I was late.

I'm not.

yet.

that's it really.
oh, yeah, I know. I do care about the US elections, but not enough to bother telling you about why

Phono · 05/02/2008 10:55

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fryalot · 05/02/2008 10:56

talking of scrabulous - Fred.... are you not playing with me?

fryalot · 05/02/2008 10:57

(just had a look, phono, and yep, I am giving you a sound thrashing, aren't I!!! Tres lucky with the letters though )

fryalot · 05/02/2008 11:02

phono - sorry

got a bit carried away at the thought of actually winning a game !!!

Dropdeadfred · 05/02/2008 11:10

Oooh Squonk, have we started? I didn't know..sorry

Actually I need to clear up the Half Moon thing...I didn't go there..it's just that the band I saw frequently plays there and I wondered what it was like!!! Cos I may want to go there another time....

I live in Surrey Phono, around Junc 6 of the M25

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Phono · 05/02/2008 11:20

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fryalot · 05/02/2008 11:43

Half moon was lovely. Egg and I spent a very happy afternoon there drinking coke (I was driving, she was pg with the double yolkers) watching dp get more and more drunk on the fumes of everyone else's beer as there had been a cock up at his hotel and instead of sleeping, he had driven down from Manchester

There is a nice little Polish (I think) cafe just down the road where they do fab bacon butties as well.

Then egg went home, and I went (along with loads of others) to Twickenham to see Genesis and it was a totally fab day.

What the Half Moon is like on a normal day, I have no idea But loads of bands play there so it's obviously a good venue.

Anyway... there was a point to my post and I can't now remember what it was I'll pop off and have a cup of tea and see if it comes to me...

marmitemad · 05/02/2008 14:09

Squonk - am very that you've seen genesis, I wonder if they'll ever do another concert?

MEET UP Friday 30th May

Egg is the only one who hasn't said if she can make this day but we'll forgive her for the sleep deprivation as she has many other more important things to think about .

the next thing would be location, where will you be staying darrrrn sarrrrrrrf Squonk? I am happy to drive wherever but I guess Egg won't want to drive too far with 3 dc's? we could take this onto email if people would be happier?

marmitemad · 05/02/2008 14:10

why doesn't bolding work for me????????

Dropdeadfred · 05/02/2008 14:27

marmite the hasto be in front and behind each* word

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fryalot · 05/02/2008 15:09

I am staying in the remotest part of Essex

But am well used to driving as I live in the middle of nowhere and it's nearly a 20 mile round trip to get a pint of milk

Would rather not do anywhere that I can't drive to, though - not happy about getting on trains and tubes with the littlies. Sure it would be fine, but I'd rather not start out stressed.

Last time, egg, fred and I met at Brighton and that was ok for me. Egg's moved since then though so not sure it would still work for her.

Have put it on my calendar, so it's definite now.

Dropdeadfred · 05/02/2008 15:18

Brighton is cool for me...I understand what you're saying about trians Squonk with two littlies...bad anough at times with one.

Wish I could drive

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fryalot · 05/02/2008 15:18

wish I had a big enough car to pick you up

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