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My "friend" gave my underage teen alcohol..AIBU to be livid?

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Timegentlemenplease · 06/06/2021 12:51

To begin with, I don't think IABU to be livid but just want to gauge what others would do in this situation.
I have put friend in inverted comma's as over the last few years, I've been questioning whether she is or not. For the sake of clarity, let’s just call her Jane.

Brief background: DD is 14 and has a host of emotional and mental health issues. I have sought all kinds of help and support, but we still haven't found any positive resolution. In short, she is a very challenging child and hormones just add to the difficulties. Her father and I separated when I was pregnant and he doesn't feature much in her life but when he does, it's just to slag me off. However, I have since married a fantastic guy and DD simply adores him as do I.

Just before Easter, DD met up with a mixed group of friends of the same age, all of whom got drunk and performed a sexual act. I didn't find out until the next day because DD had told another friend, who told their parent, who told a friend of mine and at this point I questioned DD as to why my friend was coming over to talk to me about something that had happened involving her the day before.

DD began to panic...I could practically see her heart pumping through her chest but she said she had no idea what was going on. It was half an hour before aforementioned friend arrived with what she'd heard and DD denied it all. She said that she'd fabricated the story to her other friends so she would "fit in". However, later on that day I went through her phone and found damning evidence to the contrary. When confronted with what I'd found, DD was indifferent and not remorseful in the slightest.

Yet the next day, she took an overdose of painkillers and had self-harmed using scissors up her forearm. I took her to a&e where she was assessed by CAMHS (she's already under them) and also Social Services.

This was a very difficult and upsetting time for us all and I confided in Jane, who by the way is an educator for troubled teens and a grandmother. I told her absolutely everything from the drinking to the sexual recklessness and all the involvement by the authorities because of it. I was completely open with what had happened and how it was making me feel.

Since this incident, DD and I have been working on our relationship. There have been some minor bumps but for the main part we've been ticking along fine.

Fast forward to yesterday evening. Jane is having a small birthday celebration at her house. DD, DH and I go along for a couple of hours. Jane and another person tell me that DD has been asking them for cigarettes to which they said no (I also found out before Easter that DD had a vape which I confiscated). So already I was annoyed at DD and gave her "the look" as if to say, "I know what you're doing and I'm not happy." About 30 minutes passes, and DD asks me to take her home because she is tired. On the way home, she tells me that she feels sick because Jane had given her a couple of drinks in the kitchen while I was in the garden. The irony is, I was very much aware that DD was in the house but knew she was in there with an adult and not for one minute did it occur to me that they would offer her alcohol! And especially someone who knows her history! I’d even sent DH into the house to check on her.

I've spoken with my DD and she knows how furious I am that she has broken my trust once more and so soon after the previous drunken incident. I've told her that if she crosses the line again, she will live with her father, an idea which doesn’t appeal to her at all.

I've not yet spoken with Jane. I will but I'm so angry that I know I'll end up screaming at her. So I know I need to calm down first but I don't know if I should go to her house, or call? When it comes down to it, I actually couldn't care less if she and I never spoke again. I feel like she's trying to sabotage the efforts I am trying to make to support my daughter and navigate her through this teenage hell hole....as well as come through it myself in one piece.

She has displayed some jealousy towards me and yet I don't understand why. For example: For my birthday, I was gifted a small piece of jewellery from a mutual friend of ours which belonged to her late mother. Neither Jane nor I knew our friend's mother but it was a very kind gesture and I gratefully accepted it after checking a thousand times if she was absolutely certain about gifting it to me. Jane knows I received the present and since then, continues to raise the subject with our mutual friend after a few drinks about why I was the recipient of such a gift and not her. This is just one example of why I use the term "friend" loosely.

I also don't really know how to manage what I'm feeling about DD. She's completely disrespectful and rude for asking other adults for cigarettes and as far as I'm concerned, she knows better to have accepted the alcohol even though it was offered by another adult. I feel completely embarrassed and betrayed by her behaviour once again. I could quite happily ignore her all day today, because I feel if I open my mouth, I'll end up screaming at her. But ignoring her would be childish, right?

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ChubbyLittleManInACampervan · 06/06/2021 12:55

Stop it with the anger

Lashing out at Jane will do you no good

Your DD is just deflecting blame. Yes, not ideal. But the real issue is your DD, who needs your love and support. Not anger. IMO

She needs someone to talk to

SilverGlassHare · 06/06/2021 13:04

If you can’t smell alcohol on your DD’s breath, I’d be very wary of accepting her version of events until you’d corroborated them calmly with Jane.

In addition, I think your daughter sounds like she needs a lot more support and supervision.

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 06/06/2021 13:07

I have a challenging child. Early trauma is the cause for my dc
Most parenting advice on here is traditional and based on rewards and punishment. Not at all appropriate for my child. It sounds like your dc is afraid to tell you the truth and that is the first thing you need to work on. My child is very non compliant so harsh rules make things work. Education works better imo and allowing them to make choices with some boundaries. So I allowed my dc to vape only outside the house and only with nicotine free liquid

DotsandCo · 06/06/2021 13:13

You are lashing out at the wrong person here because you are out of your depth with your daughter (understandably 💐)

Take a minute. Calm down. Speak to Jane without going in all guns blazing and just ASK if she saw your daughter with alcohol! Don't TELL her that you know she gave her alcohol ffs...because you simply don't know that!! You are angry and frustrated and this is really hard 😢

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 06/06/2021 13:24

If you really can't face calling, text Jane and ask her what happened.

Your post is full of anger at the wrong people. Your poor dd as well, give her a hug!

WyldStallions · 06/06/2021 13:29

Is getting a bit drunk and doing "sex acts" not what we all did at 14 and 15? I certainly did and I was and am relatively sensible amongst my friends. (Didn't go "all the way" until I was 19).
Was the self harm due to the shame she felt at being exposed and having it all made into a big deal? I dunno if I am way off the mark here.

This is all separate from Jane giving a minor child alcohol in secret, which is way off kilter. Not appropriate at all.

saraclara · 06/06/2021 13:29

Do you believe your daughter? She's lied to you once already, so why do you assume that Jane did indeed give her alcohol? It seems unlikely, to be honest.

SheepyLamb2 · 06/06/2021 13:31

WyldStallions

Is getting a bit drunk and doing "sex acts" not what we all did at 14 and 15? I certainly did and I was and am relatively sensible amongst my friends. (Didn't go "all the way" until I was 19).

^^
I also can't get past this. All the shame you put on your daughter I am in shock sorry but I was messing around at that age and I would have been traumatised if my mum acted this way ?

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 06/06/2021 13:31

Is getting a bit drunk and doing "sex acts" not what we all did at 14 and 15?

Yes (in my circle of friends and none of us are particularly wild). However our parents didn't find out...

cauliflowersqueeze · 06/06/2021 13:41

I think you need to take a step back and think in a more detached way about your long term goals for DD and not react angrily to every short term transgression.

To keep her stable and calm you need to present that side to her as much as you can. If you ignore or shout at her she will not be honest and open up and your relationship will deteriorate further. Kids will let you down again and again and again, that’s what they do.
It seems that she’s at a bit of a crossroads at the moment. Threatening that she will have to live with her dad is not going to change her temperament- you can’t manage anger with fear. All she will hear from that is that you are ready to give up on her and make her feel even more crap.

It’s not ideal at all if Jane gave her a drink but you don’t know the facts yet, and I wouldn’t end the friendship if she had, personally. But if DD is already asking for cigarettes then part of her makeup is to experiment and she is better off doing that in an adult supervised way than in a park with friends.

As I said, take a step back, be the adult she wants to model herself on and do everything you can to build her up as a young person that can make responsible choices rather than one who “hides” bad things and lies about trouble to avoid the threats, shouting and silent treatment.

Notaroadrunner · 06/06/2021 13:42

Well I wasn't getting drunk or doing sex acts at age 14/15 - I must have been a late starter Hmm.

@Timegentlemenplease I'd advise not contacting Jane with the belief that she gave your dd alcohol. Best to calmly ask if she noticed your dd with alcohol and see what she says. Your dd has lied to you previously so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that she has done so again.

Bluntness100 · 06/06/2021 13:47

I think you need to turn some thoughts as to why you’re so out of control and feel like you’ll be “screaming” at people. That’s not ok.

Right now you need to be the grown up, not the over emotional teen. You need to find out what happened as there’s a high chance it wasn’t as you think it is.

And yes kids at that age experiment with booze, they try it, it certainly isn’t something to be screaming at anyone for.

TheLeadbetterLife · 06/06/2021 13:51

If you’re in the U.K. she’s not underage for alcohol. You sound quite controlling over what is mostly normal teenage behaviour.

wildeverose · 06/06/2021 13:52

@Bluntness100

I think you need to turn some thoughts as to why you’re so out of control and feel like you’ll be “screaming” at people. That’s not ok.

Right now you need to be the grown up, not the over emotional teen. You need to find out what happened as there’s a high chance it wasn’t as you think it is.

And yes kids at that age experiment with booze, they try it, it certainly isn’t something to be screaming at anyone for.

Exactly this. Two drinks at 14 isn't anything to be screaming at anyone over. None of the issues you're having with your daughter are janes fault, no matter how much you want them to be.
scaredsadandstuck · 06/06/2021 13:52

Yes I was going to say can you be sure Jane gave her alcohol? Surely your daughter knows that she'll be in less trouble if she says it was given by an adult rather than she took it (especially if she's got any inkling that you don't fully trust Jane)

Is she year 9 or year 10 - i.e. nearly 15 or just 14? I don't think getting drunk and performing a sex act is wildly outside of the norm for a year 10 - even of it's not exactly what you'd want.

Timegentlemenplease · 06/06/2021 13:53

@ChubbyLittleManInACampervan
@SilverGlassHare you're both right, DD does need more support and I've gone to the ends of the earth to provide that for her from myself, friends and family, the school, the GP, CAMHS etc. But she tends to reject everything that's being made available to her and I just don't know what else to do. I've even followed her lead in what she thinks/says she needs and so far she says she only takes comfort in self-harming. This terrifies me.

@WyldStallions she discovered self-harming about 18 months ago. Started of with pinching and scratching with her nails. When I discovered this, we were already on the CAMHS waiting list so she was expedited an appointment but the self-harming has just become more severe as she is now using implements.

@SheepyLamb2 in what way did I act that put shame on her?

Update: DH spoke with Jane and she confirmed she gave DD alcohol.

Also I'd just like to add, I'm about to attend a parenting course run by social services to help my communication with DD. After the incident at Easter, we were assessed as a family and the conclusion was that we need support with communication. There was a part of me that felt sad because I feel like I try my best, however I am open to learning new approaches. I have also read a ton of books about engaging/understanding your teen and adopting certain strategies.
I have always been open with DD. I have always let her know that she can come and talk to me about anything. And for the most part she does. Yes she has lied before but she's not a pathological liar. She is also an only child so she has both mine and DH's undivided attention.

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LivingLaVidaCovid · 06/06/2021 13:55

You need to calm down.

You sound overbearing and incredibly harsh on your DD. It must be so worrying to have a teen with MH problems but honestly I would have rebelling hard against parenting like yours at that age.

I agree with cauliflower

SheepyLamb2 · 06/06/2021 13:56

@Timegentlemenplease pressing her to admit the 'act' and expected her to be remorseful (in your words)

Viviennemary · 06/06/2021 13:56

Of course this Jane person should not have given your DD alcohol. But is your DD telling the truth. She has lied before. I reckon your DD helped herself and is now blaming Jane. Id ring her up.

Foxhasbigsocks · 06/06/2021 13:56

Op was your concern about the sex more that it was risky behaviour from a vulnerable teen? I can see why you would be very worried about that - I would be too. Maybe this is something to be addressed in a calm way - consequences eg stds, pg, people having photos, risks of drinking alcohol and what that can do to inhibitions, but emphasising it’s not a moral issue at all.

Timegentlemenplease · 06/06/2021 13:58

@wildeverose I didn't say I wanted the issues to be Jane's fault at any point in my post. I blame myself every day for my daughters issues, because guess what, she's my daughter...not Jane's.

But I would expect a friend who knows the situation to be a little more considerate about what she is doing.

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Viviennemary · 06/06/2021 13:58

Ok I see Jane admitted it. But a couple of drinks arent the cause of your daughters serious and complex problems. So dont latch on to this one incident

Foxhasbigsocks · 06/06/2021 14:00

What did Jane say about why she gave the alcohol?

TheLeadbetterLife · 06/06/2021 14:01

She is also an only child so she has both mine and DH's undivided attention.

Is this supposed to be a good thing?

Bluntness100 · 06/06/2021 14:01

Did your daughter ask for it. How much did Jane give her?

I have to agree, you sound incredibly harsh and highly strung. Your daughter has many complex issues, and yes she had some booze, but other than feel a bit sick nothing else happened did it. And you were there.