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The Breakfast Club Returns!

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LilyLangtrey · 18/10/2020 20:00

Good evening, Clunkers!

Welcome to the Breakfast Club where the kettle is permanently on, the drinks flow and the snacks are both self-replenishing and calorie-free.

We start each day with a look at history and a tribute to a brave or inspiring woman. Mostly though, we just chat randomly about current affairs, recipes, life in lockdown, literature, music and anything else that comes into our heads.

Veteran Clunkers welcome. Anyone else who wants to join in the chat - sense of humour essential! - welcome.

Kettle's on ☕️☕️☕️

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TeflonTits · 26/10/2020 12:18

@LilyLangtrey

Just popping in to say...BBBC has just said that Tesco's has been told by the Welsh government not to sell sanitary protection because 'it's not essential".

What???

I think the Welsh government has just declared war on 51% of its electorate. Who is advising these balloons?

WHAT?

On what flamingo planet is sanitary protection not essential?

TracysShoulder · 26/10/2020 12:26

Don't worry, just listening to briefing, they are due to have discussions with stores today to reassess 'essential' goods and to give stores the discretion to decide who is in need.

I wish I was joking. Shock

Nelllyyy · 26/10/2020 12:26

@LilyLangtrey, what? oh my that man is an absolute imbecile, what is wrong with him?. 😡

I am actually speechless for once. 🤐😡

TeflonTits · 26/10/2020 12:35

@TracysShoulder

Don't worry, just listening to briefing, they are due to have discussions with stores today to reassess 'essential' goods and to give stores the discretion to decide who is in need.

I wish I was joking. Shock

The discretion?

What right does anyone have to decide on the behalf of another adult, what they need?

I knew Nicola Sturgeon wasnt perfect, but I am so glad that I dont live in Wales right now.

StormzyinaTCup · 26/10/2020 12:35

Unbelievable, what on earth is going on!!😮😡

MissSarahThane · 26/10/2020 12:46

that man is an absolute imbecile, what is wrong with him?

Wikipedia says he has a wife, so how can he be that clueless? And aren't there any women in the Welsh government?

Nelllyyy · 26/10/2020 13:00

@MissSarahThane

that man is an absolute imbecile, what is wrong with him?

Wikipedia says he has a wife, so how can he be that clueless? And aren't there any women in the Welsh government?

Well that makes him even more of one, unbelievable that he has a wife, if I was her I would be having very stern words with him, I really cannot get my head around it.

I have been going on holiday to Wales since 2006, I have seen a dramatic decline in the high streets, many many shops closed and sitting empty, it is heartbreaking.

TracysShoulder · 26/10/2020 13:03

Tom Harwood article on DT

Mark Drakeford's barmy Wales power grab exposes deep flaws in devolution
His petty meddling is just the latest example of devolved administration muscle flexing

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/25/mark-drakefords-barmy-wales-power-grab-exposes-flaws-devolution/

Can post in full if anyone wishes.

Nelllyyy · 26/10/2020 13:10

@TracysShoulder

Tom Harwood article on DT

Mark Drakeford's barmy Wales power grab exposes deep flaws in devolution
His petty meddling is just the latest example of devolved administration muscle flexing

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/25/mark-drakefords-barmy-wales-power-grab-exposes-flaws-devolution/

Can post in full if anyone wishes.

Can you post it Tracy, I would love to read it. 👍🏻❤️
TracysShoulder · 26/10/2020 13:15

Tom Harwood on DT:

Those unlucky enough to be living under Mark Drakeford’s authoritarian Welsh Labour Government are in for an eerie early-Halloween supermarket sight. Goods deemed "non-essential" have been taped off and covered up for the First Minister’s coronavirus "fire break" – which slammed down on the people of Wales at 6pm on Friday. Shop aisles have been cordoned off as Drakeford decreed the offline sale of items such as clothing and bedding is now forbidden. All the while internet giants like Amazon rub their hands with glee.

The petty meddling of Drakeford is just the latest example of devolved administration muscle flexing. Often for the sake of it. For the first time these lower rung politicians have their hands on an enormous amount of power with next to no scrutiny. And they’re taking total advantage.

From sabre-rattling inter-UK travel restrictions to abrupt nationalisations and ever more complicated sets of marginally differing social restrictions, this is the grotesque chaos of a country finally facing the music of its unfinished, imbalanced, and unsettled settlement of asymmetric devolution.

The pandemic has exposed the yawning gaps and lack of cohesion of a UK that cannot decide who governs, or more acutely, who governs where.

The fast-tracked and largely unscrutinised Coronavirus Act of March 2020 became an enabling device for power hungry leaders of devolved nations to aggrandise their own positions. Now Brits face a situation where the media elevates Mark Drakeford, Arlene Foster, and Nicola Sturgeon to be on par with Boris Johnson as if a higher UK Government did not exist.

The leaders of devolved nations are play-acting as rivals to the national executive, all fortuitous beneficiaries of unprecedented power accidentally falling their way in a hurried muddle. They all too often strive for difference for the sake of it.

And worst of all, every level of government that does not reside in Downing Street has successfully evaded even rudimentary responsibility for what they advocate or do. Sadiq Khan has got off scot free with first proposing a London wide curfew, and now calling for it to be scrapped. The U-turns of lower rung politicians are barely noticed, as the people of the UK direct their ire at central Government alone.

This experience is shaking the constitutional settlement of the United Kingdom in a way that other countries with more even, rational, and established hierarchies of government have avoided. Almost uniquely this country has seen devolved leaders hijack the crisis to boost their personal status and grab power.

Continually the people of devolved nations have been subjected to more and more "different for the sake of it" measures. It is hard to escape the conclusion that much devolved policy has been driven not by epidemiology but by pettiness.

This confounding muddle calls for a bold solution. Before devolution the UK was one of the most centralised countries in the world, an unhealthy state of affairs for a large liberal democracy. It is clear that power is better exercised closer to the people it affects. Yet the cack-handed way in which the process of devolving powers has been handled since New Labour has left the vast bulk of the British people, namely the 85 per cent who live in England, with utterly inadequate and patchy provision of powers.

In Germany and the US, people understand the different levels of government. Yet in the UK, while England sits in its incomplete state of semi-devolution to regional mayors, the devolved administrations in Scotland and Wales act like almost-independent nations gearing up to skip town.

Clarity is needed. And that will only be achieved by more comprehensive devolution within the UK, not the restriction of it. This country needs to reach a stage of devolved entities covering every person in England elected concurrently with all polities across the UK, mid-way through a Westminster Parliament. Synchronised ‘Mid Term’ elections and evenly devolved entities would finally help establish a clear difference between the overarching Government of the United Kingdom, and pretentious pretenders like Mark Drakeford.

meercat23 · 26/10/2020 13:20

I think the power has gone to his head. Pity he has no common sense at all.

TeflonTits · 26/10/2020 13:29

Nelly, theres been a massive decline in the high street in the small town I live in.

We have in the last 2 years, lost two of our banks, along with their cash machines. We have lost our betting shop, our posh chocolate shop, our Ironmongers, a bakers, a couple of newsagents and, our post office was shoehorned into a corner of the local RS McColls, and the staff that run it are as sour faced as they come. God help you if you want to post a parcel, they act like its a huge inconvenience to them.

The sad thing is, that we may also yet be losing one of our woolen mills, because the Edinburgh Woollen Mill company is in financial trouble.

For a tourist town, on a key trunk road into Scotland, thats a pretty terrible state of affairs, when all you have to offer tourists is well... Scaffolding, cafes and hair dressers, and not a lot else.

Nelllyyy · 26/10/2020 13:31

@meercat23

I think the power has gone to his head. Pity he has no common sense at all.
It certainly has Meercat. ❤️

Thank you Tracy. 👍🏻❤️

AnneRIPanki · 26/10/2020 13:37

Trying to play catch up .
Nelly Jelly mmm .

Ridiculous about the sanitary products. If only Mr Drakeford had to use them .!

I do not listen to Radio 2 during the day . How did Pop Master go today , Nelly ?
Teflon , EWM owns Jaeger and other things too .

DorisLessingsLesson · 26/10/2020 13:40

That's interesting that the BBC is reporting the story like that. The Welsh Government said Tesco had made a mistake. And Tesco have apologised and admitted they misread the advice.

Nelllyyy · 26/10/2020 13:47

@TeflonTits

Nelly, theres been a massive decline in the high street in the small town I live in.

We have in the last 2 years, lost two of our banks, along with their cash machines. We have lost our betting shop, our posh chocolate shop, our Ironmongers, a bakers, a couple of newsagents and, our post office was shoehorned into a corner of the local RS McColls, and the staff that run it are as sour faced as they come. God help you if you want to post a parcel, they act like its a huge inconvenience to them.

The sad thing is, that we may also yet be losing one of our woolen mills, because the Edinburgh Woollen Mill company is in financial trouble.

For a tourist town, on a key trunk road into Scotland, thats a pretty terrible state of affairs, when all you have to offer tourists is well... Scaffolding, cafes and hair dressers, and not a lot else.

I cannot believe that our great country has come to this, it really saddens me.

I read that about the Edinburgh Woollen Mill, there was 1 where we shop, that closed down roughly 6 months ago.

When a big industry like that closes down there are no other jobs for people to search for, the area goes into decline, heartbreaking and if EWM manages to get a bail out or even sell it will bought by someone who has no attachment to the people or area.

Lots of local shops have closed here, the Post Office, they took the one and only ATM machine away, our small walk in clinic and the hairdressers, we still have a small family run corner shop but things are very expensive to buy from there.

I am still surprised MrN still has his job, the buses are running almost empty and are loosing money hand over fist and this does worry me.

greenwine · 26/10/2020 13:49

I've been reading about Drakeford, they say that his political leanings are Marxist and that he makes Corbyn look like a right wing extremist!!
I agree with those who said that the power has gone to his head.
It's a beautiful country but I wouldn't like to be living there now.

MissSarahThane · 26/10/2020 13:56

EWM owns Jaeger and other things too.

Yes, James Pringle, Bon Marche and Peacocks. Bon Marche was only bailed out by EWM last year.

The EWM in a popular tourist city near here closed in March for lockdown and never reopened. They probably missed out on a fair bit of business over the summer.

Where am I going to buy clothes if BM and EWM close? Bon Marche trousers are actually the right shape and length for me. M&S trousers haven't fitted me for years.

Nelllyyy · 26/10/2020 14:07

@AnneRIPanki

Trying to play catch up . Nelly Jelly mmm .

Ridiculous about the sanitary products. If only Mr Drakeford had to use them .!

I do not listen to Radio 2 during the day . How did Pop Master go today , Nelly ?
Teflon , EWM owns Jaeger and other things too .

I missed the first contestant as my neighbour knocked, I know he got a score of 30, I can’t remember the other contestants score 🥴 but I know he didn’t win, the other fella never got the three in ten either. 😁
MissSarahThane · 26/10/2020 14:09

On this day in 899, Cyninge Ęlfrede - Alfred the Great - is thought to have died. Despite his reputation as a clumsy cook, he was a soldier, a scholar, formed England’s first navy and fought against the invading Danes. He was succeeded by his son, Edward the Elder.

Alfred deserves his title 'Great', but his son Edward, his daughter AEthelflaed, Lady of the Mercians, and his grandson Athelstan equalled him as war leaders. After the low point in 878, when Alfred had to retreat to the Somerset marshes with a small band of followers, after the surprise attack by the Danes at Chippenham on Twelfth Night, Alfred began to fight back. Edward, AEthelflaed and Athelstan continued the process of reconquering those parts of England that had fallen under Danish control. It's because of them, it's said, that England developed as a united kingdom under the rule of one king.

You might get one exceptional person in a family; sometimes the next generation also produces a great man or woman. I can't think of any other example of great leaders in three successive generations in a family.

DistantShores1 · 26/10/2020 14:51

I've missed a lot since I left for my day out.
The weather has been up and down. We have driven the coastal route up via Tor Head. Not for the faint hearted Grin
Stopped at Glenarrif to see the waterfalls. Sadly there was no Annie going over them in a barrel.
Hoping your Nelly Jelly was a hit.

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MoreHippoThanPenguin · 26/10/2020 14:53

Tracy, thank you so much for the article. That is quite a frightening account of the impact of all lower level politicians and the devolved powers. I can understand how someone wants to make a name for themselves by differentiation, but I cannot forgive is when it obviously is stupid.

That sanitary product misunderstanding is unacceptable. I am happy that it is cleared up, but what about that poor woman in the first tweet who was denied buying them. I hope they deliver them to her for free!

Are there any leftovers from breakfast...? One of those pastries...? < looks around to see if any butler is close by >

Crankley · 26/10/2020 15:00

Tracy - interesting piece about Wales, this is what the Spectator has to say:

Mark Drakeford has declared war on Wales’s economy

Infections are rising. Hospitals will be overwhelmed. And very soon the vulnerable will start to die. From today, the Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford is closing down Wales with one of the strictest lockdowns in Europe, shuttering all but essential shops. For the next 17 days, hotels, pubs, restaurants and for a while, schools, will be closed as well. That is meant to fight Covid-19. And yet now the small print is emerging it is increasingly looking like something else is going on in Wales: a war against the economy and the free market.

It would be easy to imagine that the Welsh lockdown is very similar to the national one in April and May. In most ways it is. Just about everything has been closed down, expect for a few shops and services that are completely vital to keep everyone alive as they huddle down at home. But this week we learned the Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford has decided to take it one step further. Apparently not only will ‘non-essential’ shops have to close, but the few that remain open will also be banned from selling ‘non-essential’ items.

Want to buy some socks at Tesco? Sorry, not allowed. Aftershave at Boots? Forget it. Or pick up a book, perhaps, while filling up the car with petrol? That isn’t going to be permitted. Apparently, according to Drakeford, he has to create a ‘level-playing field’ so that some shops don’t have any ‘unfair advantage’ during lockdown. ‘We will be making it clear to supermarkets that they are only able to open those parts of their business that provide essential goods to people,’ Drakeford told the Welsh Parliament in Cardiff. What exactly counts as essential and non-essential hasn’t been decided yet – even though Welsh retailers have already reacted with alarm – but no doubt the First Minister will decide in due course.

But hold on. That is both crazy, and slightly sinister. The point about lockdowns is to suppress infections. You can argue about whether they are an effective way of doing that. The evidence, to put it mildly, is very mixed so far: it is hard to see how shutting down a hardware store in Pembrokeshire does much to control an outbreak of Covid-19 in the halls of residence at Swansea University. But whether they are good or bad public health policy, surely one thing is obvious. The purpose is not to create level-playing fields between companies, or to destroy competition.

Where will this end? Is Drakeford planning to ban Amazon deliveries (because, er, surely that is ‘unfair’ on bookshops that have had to close their doors) or Netflix streams (seems sort of unfair on the local Odeon) or Zoom (hardly fair on local office landlords)? Indeed, it might well be safer to close down the internet, and then perhaps the postal service as well (those sneaky mail order catalogues might come back). And then when he does get around to listing ‘essential’ items, it would probably be safer to ration them as well, since otherwise some shops might run out of permitted items while others didn’t, and that too would hardly be ‘fair’.

It is enough to make you suspect that it is not really Covid-19 Drakeford doesn’t like, but competition, free markets, and indeed any form of business not controlled by the state. He is starting to turn Wales into a wartime, command economy: East Germany, except not as efficient, and with more sheep. If that is what the Welsh really want, then fine – but it is hard to believe it will end any better than any other command economy has ever done.

LilyLangtrey · 26/10/2020 15:09

Lovely photos, Distant. Love that part of the country.

Hippo, what are you saying? The butlers don't do leftovers (apart from cold leftover pizza from PizzaNight). Grin They will cook you fresh food to order. They're only twiddling their thumbs anyway and telling each other war stories.

EWM closed in my nearest city a month ago. Distraught. This time last year, it was a busy bustling all-year-round tourist destination. Now it's a ghost town. You even have to make an appointment to shop in the M&S food hall.

Greenwine, hope you are enjoying the chat.

No OTD here tomorrow, fellow BCers, sorry. I'm spinning too many plates. I might need some milk jelly and a smiley coffee to sustain me...

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MoreHippoThanPenguin · 26/10/2020 15:15

Oh Lily, how wonderful! Smile

< looks around for a butler to order tea and freshly made scones with jam and clotted cream >

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