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The Breakfast Club Returns!

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LilyLangtrey · 18/10/2020 20:00

Good evening, Clunkers!

Welcome to the Breakfast Club where the kettle is permanently on, the drinks flow and the snacks are both self-replenishing and calorie-free.

We start each day with a look at history and a tribute to a brave or inspiring woman. Mostly though, we just chat randomly about current affairs, recipes, life in lockdown, literature, music and anything else that comes into our heads.

Veteran Clunkers welcome. Anyone else who wants to join in the chat - sense of humour essential! - welcome.

Kettle's on ☕️☕️☕️

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MissSarahThane · 24/10/2020 13:12

Oh, and for anyone who follows the Ruth Galloway series, by Elly Griffiths, the most recent, The Lantern Men, is currently 99p on Kindle.

I don't remember reading the previous one, but if I log in to my local library account I can see what books I've borrowed. Apparently I had it out in June last year, so I must have read it!

daisychain01 · 24/10/2020 13:33

@thegcatsmother

Who decides what counts as essential though in Wales? What if you need a new sheet or new pants or a bin or a chopping board? This only pushes people into shopping online and takes away from the physical stores.
Firstly, hello all, I thought I would pop by on this rather grey and miserable Saturday, to wish you all well and to say to those of you in Wales who have started on your 2 week "fire break" (don't they come up with some God'awful names, as if to justify the decision!), I hope the next couple of weeks will glide by in a haze of delicious breakfasts, speciality teas and coffees, and chat. Before you know where you are, you'll be out the other side again, aided by LL's daily 'on this day' posts, which are fascinating!

We shop in Wales as we are on the border, and to your question @thegcatsmother, as to what constitutes "essential", MrDc and I were musing over that very point today as we walked down the deserted high street this morning after fetching our Click and Collect. WH Smith was shut, but over the other side of the street the general purpose "One-Stop" store was open. We speculated that maybe it was because the One Stop store probably got round it by saying they sold food as well as newspapers and stationery. Although I'm not sure crisps, sweets, cake bars, white bread and 2 pinters are technically "essentials". But you can't blame them for wanting to keep their business open so I nipped in and bought a 2 pinter and bag of maltesers to take to my mum's next Thursday Grin. Waitrose were quite sensible and weren't banning flowers or garden products. They had pared back the displays but there was enough of everything and people weren't over reacting, the store was quite quiet and orderly.

@LilyLangtrey I always LOL when you mention how MrL dashes off at various points to make you a nice cuppa, including at any mention of Y A-B etc. We find her amusing and rather a unique personality, she likes nothing more than the opportunity to jump up on that well-worn soapbox of her's but who'd be without someone like her, with her heart in the right place, seeking to defend the underdog and always keen to highlight the contrary view. Far better than apathy and bigotry, imo.

I roared at your Matt cartoon, he is just so spot-on, isn't he. Here's my contribution. It probably looks a little dated now, as it appeared in Mar/Apr time, and the world is now teeming with armchair virologists and epidemiologists with their research sourced to Twitter

Happy Saturday everyone. Stay well.

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thegcatsmother · 24/10/2020 14:01

Well, if you want gloom, doom and despondency (and to give thanks that we may avoid some of this as we have left), read this:
www.zerohedge.com/markets/destruction-euro

It sounds all too credible to me. Macron will have much more than fish to worry about.

DorisLessingsLesson · 24/10/2020 14:08

Poor Annie having her barrel stolen after all that effort! You're right Lily it would make a brilliant movie.
DM is back in hospital. I'm absolutely exhausted. Trying to come up with a long-term plan to look after her in line with Covid precautions and that doesn't upset any of my siblings is proving almost impossible.
I'll steal some of the cinnamon danish from the breakfast buffet before trying to tiptoe through all the family dramas. Happy Saturday everyone!

MoreHippoThanPenguin · 24/10/2020 14:13

Great article. I think it pretty much sums it up - except for the lack of mention of all dodgy, RWA / asset reducing derivative / accounting structures that the banks were providing to each other (and maybe still are)...

MoreHippoThanPenguin · 24/10/2020 14:14

Sorry, that was for thegcats Smile. About the zerohedge article...

TracysShoulder · 24/10/2020 14:19

Lots to catch up on after our reservoir walk. It wasn't the autumnal yellows and oranges like Hippos as it's the Pennine foothills. Pines and lots of scrubby, prickly bushes. I don't like moorland scenery in this weather.

Thanks Nelly for reminder about Strictly. Smile I only want to see Nicola Adams as she's done so well in her career.

thegcatsmother · 24/10/2020 14:32

What is scary Hippo is the chaos it could unleash if it happens; I can't imagine the Belgians being very sanguine if all their money has gone!

thegcatsmother · 24/10/2020 14:40

SocGen looks almost bankrupt - and Debit Agricole doesn't look much better.

Italy still €22 billion short of the debt repayments that fall due soon, and Spain €6 billion.

LilyLangtrey · 24/10/2020 14:47

Welcome to DaisyChain and afternoon to everyone else.

Busy afternoon but will be in touch later...

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Nelllyyy · 24/10/2020 14:54

@TracysShoulder

Lots to catch up on after our reservoir walk. It wasn't the autumnal yellows and oranges like Hippos as it's the Pennine foothills. Pines and lots of scrubby, prickly bushes. I don't like moorland scenery in this weather.

Thanks Nelly for reminder about Strictly. Smile I only want to see Nicola Adams as she's done so well in her career.

No probs, that’s who I am looking forward most of all. 👍🏻

BBC1 7.25pm. 😁

Your walk sounds lovely, well apart from the prickly things. 😁👍🏻❤️

MissSarahThane · 24/10/2020 14:58

The EU didn't just evolve out of US post-war policy, as the ZeroHedge article says. This is from 'Their Finest Hour', Vol II of Churchill's History of the Second World War. The time is June 1940, after Dunkirk, but (just) before the final collapse of France. Note the Usual Suspects, read the draft Declaration, and breathe a sigh of relief that it didn't happen.

In these days the War Cabinet were in a state of unusual emotion. The fall and the fate of France dominated their minds. Our own plight, and what we should have to face and face alone, seemed to take a second place. Grief for our ally in her agony, and desire to do anything in human power to aid her, was the prevailing mood. There was also the overpowering importance of making sure of the French Fleet. It was in this spirit that a proposal for “an indissoluble union” between France and Britain was conceived.

I was not the prime mover…. On the 14th [of June], Vansittart [a diplomatic adviser] and Desmond Morton had met M. Monnet and M. Pleven (members of the French Economic Mission in London), and been joined by General de Gaulle…. These gentlemen had evolved the outline of a declaration for a Franco-British Union with the object… of giving M. Reynaud some new fact of a vivid and stimulating nature with which to carry a majority of his Cabinet into … the continuance of the war. My first reaction was unfavourable. I asked a number of questions of a critical character, and was by no means convinced. However, at the end of our long Cabinet that afternoon the subject was raised. I was somewhat surprised to see the staid, stolid, experienced politicians of all parties engage themselves so passionately in an immense design whose implications and consequences were not in any way thought out. I did not resist, but yielded easily to these generous surges which carried our resolves to a very high level of unselfish and undaunted action.

[On 15th June] I recalled to the Cabinet that at the conclusion of our meeting the day before there had been some discussion… of some further declaration of closer union between France and Great Britain. I had seen General de Gaulle in the morning, and he had impressed on me that some dramatic move was essential to give M. Reynaud the support which he needed to keep his Government in the war, and suggested that a proclamation of the indissoluble union of the French and British peoples would serve the purpose.

The Foreign Secretary then said that …Sir Robert Vansittart had been in consultation with General de Gaulle, M. Monnet, M. Pleven, and Major Morton. Between them they had drafted a proclamation….

The draft statement was passed round, and everyone read it with deep attention. All the difficulties were immediately apparent, but in the end a Declaration of Union seemed to command general assent. I stated that my first instinct had been against the idea, but that in this crisis we must not let ourselves be accused of lack of imagination. Some dramatic announcement was clearly necessary to keep the French going. The proposal could not be lightly turned aside, and I was encouraged at finding so great a body of opinion in the War Cabinet favourable to it.

At 3.55 P.M. we were told that the French Council of Ministers would meet at five to decide whether further resistance was possible. Secondly, General de Gaulle had been informed by M. Reynaud on the telephone that if a favourable answer on the proposed proclamation of unity was received by five o’clock, M. Reynaud felt he could hold the position. On this the War Cabinet approved the final draft proclamation of an Anglo-French Union, and authorised its despatch to M. Reynaud….

Here is the final draft:

Declaration of Union

At this most fateful moment in the history of the modern world, the Governments of the United Kingdom and the French Republic make this declaration of indissoluble union and unyielding resolution in their common defence of justice and freedom against subjection to a system which reduces mankind to a life of robots and slaves.

The two Governments declare that France and Great Britain shall no longer be two nations, but one Franco-British Union.

The constitution of the Union will provide for joint organs of defence, foreign, financial, and economic policies.

Every citizen of France will enjoy immediately citizenship of Great Britain; every British subject will become a citizen of France.

Both countries will share responsibility for the repair of the devastation of war, wherever it occurs in their territories, and the resources of both shall be equally, and as one, applied to that purpose.

During the war there shall be a single War Cabinet, and all the forces of Britain and France, whether on land, sea, or in the air, will be placed under its direction. It will govern from wherever it best can. The two Parliaments will be formally associated. The Nations of the British Empire are already forming new armies. France will keep her available forces in the field, on the sea, and in the air. The Union appeals to the United States to fortify the economic resources of the Allies, and to bring her powerful material aid to the common cause.

The Union will concentrate its whole energy against the power of the enemy, no matter where the battle may be.

And thus we shall conquer.

The entire book is available on Fadedpage, a Canadian site which makes available free e-books of books which are out of copyright in Canada.

TracysShoulder · 24/10/2020 15:40

So had it not been for the collapse, the union would have gone ahead Sarah?

TracysShoulder · 24/10/2020 15:49

Welcome DaisyChain. I wasn't sure whether you'd posted in the BC before. Do join us in a welcome drink and nibbles.

I just have one thing to ask. You can buy a bag of Maltesers today and save them until next Thursday? Next you'll be saying you actually share a 'sharing' bag. Grin

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Nelllyyy · 24/10/2020 15:55

I can actually eat a whole share bag of Maltese’s, god help MrN if he tries to nick one. 😁😁

Nelllyyy · 24/10/2020 16:08

Oh Tracey those do look lovely and the cheese board. 😍

A little story about my son, he loved cheese as a kid, we went on holiday in England, stayed in a hotel, breakfast and evening provided, on the first evening we went down for dinner, out came the cheese board, son didn’t want a sweet dessert he wanted the cheese, the waitress came over with the cheese board, where on it were all the cheeses including a great big lump of cheddar with a quarter of it cut out and sliced so you could help yourself with those slices, what did son do?, he took the great big lump and put it on his plate 😂 it did make the rest of the dining room staff and holiday makers laugh, after that they always gave a small lump of cheese as he called it, he was only around 7 or 8 at the time, I still think of it sometimes and make myself chuckle.😁

MissSarahThane · 24/10/2020 16:09

Tracy, I think it probably would have been quietly dropped, possibly with the excuse that Parliament hadn't been consulted. Churchill calls it "an immense design whose implications and consequences were not in any way thought out". I think when people did think about it, when they were under less pressure, they'd have seen the difficulties. Not sure the French would have been that keen anyway, except for the possibility of getting us to pay for their war damage.

I think it would have proved impossible in practice. It had already proved impossible for the BEF and the French armies to coordinate action on the ground. Senior RAF officers were digging their heels in (quite rightly) over French demands to send more RAF squadrons to France, to the point that the defence of Britain would have been compromised.

But it was already too late anyway; the draft declaration was put before the French government the following day, 16 June, but they were past the point of even being able to consider it. Defeatist elements convinced others that Britain was doomed. The French government fell that day and a new government formed for the purpose of seeking an armistice with Germany.

lakeswimmer · 24/10/2020 16:23

Afternoon Clunkers. Thank you for a fascinating OTD Lily, it's good to hear about these lesser known but still remarkable women and thank you for the delicious breakfast Tracy.

Just sat down after a very busy day - mainly outside and getting very wet - which started early. I'm now in front of the fire and DH is making an early dinner. Might be tempted to crack open a beer shortly...

daisychain01 · 24/10/2020 16:24

@TracysShoulder

Welcome DaisyChain. I wasn't sure whether you'd posted in the BC before. Do join us in a welcome drink and nibbles.

I just have one thing to ask. You can buy a bag of Maltesers today and save them until next Thursday? Next you'll be saying you actually share a 'sharing' bag. Grin

I'm a very novice Clunker Grin but happy to lurk and learn, and interested in the lively conversation. Thanks for you kind hospitality, mmm yes I quite fancy some cashews and something warming.

Autumn has truly arrived here, in the Wye Valley with almost dayglo colours of every shade of red and orange. I would have taken a picture when we dropped down onto the valley road but the light was so poor and it was absolutely sheeting rain, almost a mizzle but lashing down, so difficult conditions to take photos. I think Monday may be a sunnier day.

Although I don't relish the idea of the clocks changing overnight, the one good thing is that the mornings will be lighter so my pre-work bike ride will be nicer in the daylight. Only for a few weeks, then it will just be dark, dark and even more dark. But I guess not as extreme as Scandinavia!

Lol re: Maltesers, they are for my mum who I will be seeing for the first time since the late summer. Her faves and it's a share bag, so Im definitely sticking my hand out and going Meeee, even though she'll get first dibs. It's been dreadful, her flats are run by a managing agent and they banned visitors all through lockdown, so the only way we could meet was to sit in the garden for lunch and then nip to Tesco. Now the weather is awful, but at least they've relaxed the ban on visitors so we are having lunch together indoors - we are both Tier 1 so that's helpful. I live about 100 miles away, so it has become very difficult to go down, stay in a hotel and go to the theatre as we've always done. I worry for her so much, as those visits were a highlight of her week, but nothing for months (she's the stoic type and never a word of complain, hence extra large Maltesers Grin ).

TracysShoulder · 24/10/2020 16:24

I can actually eat a whole share bag of Maltese’s, god help MrN if he tries to nick one.

In Tracy world, I can't actually not eat a whole sharing bag. MrT knows better than to even ask Grin.

daisychain01 · 24/10/2020 16:26

Interesting article about the EU delay in changing daylight saving, due to CV19

www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-clocks-change-2020-daylight-savings-time?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

thegcatsmother · 24/10/2020 16:27

We still have (just) a UK member of the judges at the ECJ, Eleanor Sharpston. She has pulled a blinder here with help from Leanaerts the Dutch attorney and an ICJ counsel called Lang - so perhaps Lily could do an OTD on her?

Remember VdL took UK to the ECJ over the UK IMB, currently facing Lords second reading next week, because it negated the NI protocol (partitioning UK) in the MayWA. A ruling against UK would have incurred huge fines that EU needs.

The formal notice of allegation was issued on October 22nd and immediately thrown out by ECJ on the basis of two dissident rulings that proved to be true in law and precedence.

First the ECJ cannot act on a national bill that has still to be promulgated (Betty signs) (it is now in Boris's interest that the IMB is signed just before Christmas recess. Secondly, as the enforcement of the Act requires a parliamentary assenting vote of enablement, no action can be taken by ECJ until that vote has taken place, enabling the enforcement and that enforcement has happened - the vote itself does not incur culpability. Thirdly, there is a precedent from 200 when ECJ took Holland to court on a bill to do with oyster season regulation, with in case delimiters and in fact rejected later by the Erstekamerid.

Thus the ECJ has issued an illegal formal notice of intent, must formally renege and must add the case to the list of Commission breaches of ECJ law.

Go Eleanor!

daisychain01 · 24/10/2020 16:28

I quite like the Maltesers in Celebrations boxes - a bit more chocolatey

MissSarahThane · 24/10/2020 16:31

Think I'm going to get up and draw the curtains soon, and shut out the outside, even though it's not dark yet. It's really grey outside, raining a bit, and next door's trees are tossing in a nasty looking wind that's got up. Miserable.

Nelllyyy · 24/10/2020 16:31

@TracysShoulder

I can actually eat a whole share bag of Maltese’s, god help MrN if he tries to nick one.

In Tracy world, I can't actually not eat a whole sharing bag. MrT knows better than to even ask Grin.

We are so alike Tracy 😁

Tulips, Maltesers, Strictly and Nicola, also our love of breakfasts, lunch and dinners. 😂😂😂

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