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The Breakfast Club

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LilyLangtrey · 11/10/2020 12:44

Good afternoon, Clunkers!

Welcome to the Breakfast Club where the kettle is permanently on, the drinks flow and the snacks are both self-replenishing and calorie-free.

We start each day with a look at history and a tribute to a brave or inspiring woman. Mostly though, we just chat randomly about current affairs, recipes, life in lockdown, literature, music and anything else that comes into our heads.

Veteran Clunkers welcome. Anyone else who wants to join in the chat - sense of humour essential! - welcome.

Kettle's on Brew

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OVienna · 15/10/2020 16:43

Cookies!!!!

TeflonTits · 15/10/2020 16:48

Thanks for the snacks ladies. Just a lot of stuff from last few days has built up, and finally got to me.

Oh well, onwards and upwards.

MoreHippoThanPenguin · 15/10/2020 16:53

Tracy, it is quite hard to describe them. Not really like macaroons, they are heavier and more hearty.

They have quite a bit of chopped almonds in (and flour, sugar, egg and butter), but the raising agent is powered ammonium carbonate (I had to google that, hjorthornssalt in Swedish). It gives a more light consistency than it otherwise would have, hard to explain.... Smile

MoreHippoThanPenguin · 15/10/2020 17:00

*powdered ammonium carbonate

lifestooshort123 · 15/10/2020 17:01

@TeflonTits
Hope you're OK 🤗

Nelllyyy · 15/10/2020 17:10

@TracysShoulder, ohh a nice healthy snack. ❤️👍🏻

@MoreHippoThanPenguin, do they taste as good as they look?, they certainly look like they do. ❤️👍🏻

@BakedCam, hope your mixing bowl is now over its trauma and has safely been put away. ❤️

Nelllyyy · 15/10/2020 17:19

@LilyLangtrey.

Ahh that is good news about Dizzy, he will soon be in charge, if not so already. 😺😻

LilyLangtrey · 15/10/2020 17:21

GrinToo late! He already is.

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TeflonTits · 15/10/2020 17:23

@lifestooshort123 I'll be fine, maybe, I guess.

Gramgram · 15/10/2020 18:09

Teflon, Take special care.

There is a wonderful sunset here tonight.

Nelllyyy · 15/10/2020 18:12

@LilyLangtrey

GrinToo late! He already is.
@LilyLangtrey, 😺😸😹 Good kitty Dizzy. 😻
Nelllyyy · 15/10/2020 18:19

[quote TeflonTits]@lifestooshort123 I'll be fine, maybe, I guess.[/quote]
Come on Teflon, you have been great, you have been making me laugh, things get tough, then they lessen a little, things go up and down, you will be ok, I am literally sometimes like a duck, ok on the top but my little legs are paddling away like a gooden underneath, 😁 everyone has your back.. and Nelly is here for you, even though I am the other end of the country, I am but a click away. ❤️

TracysShoulder · 15/10/2020 18:24

They sound delicious Hippo. I thought that was like bicarbonate of soda but it's not the same thing.

It's Thursday, so that means it's pizza night. Glitterball
I'll get the oven out and a special place for Dizzy the little rascal and the Chairman. It's a horrible wet, dark night here so we need the shelter and blankets.
Grab a cocktail or mocktail.

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BigGreenOlives · 15/10/2020 18:29

I wish I could send love towards the pizza ovens and various other points that have been raised throughout the day, including of course @LilyLangtrey‘s OTD.

This is by Virginia Crosbie MP for Ynys Mon, quite interesting.

The facts behind the Agriculture Bill

Please see below what I published on my website earlier this week a t virginiacrosbie.co.uk/news/agriculture-bill/

Agriculture is critical to Ynys Môn. It always has been. We are not Môn Mam Cymru without good reason. The farming community is important to Ynys Môn and it is important to me; many of the farmers here helped me turn the seat blue for the first time in 32 years and I owe them and their families a debt of gratitude. For these reasons I have worked hard within Government to ensure that the views of Anglesey farmers are being heard loud and clear by the people making our national policies. This week I arranged a private zoom meeting with Brian Bown, NFU Cymru Anglesey Country Chairman and his team and the Secretary of State for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA), the Rt Hon George Eustice MP where they discussed in detail the new Agricultural Bill and how it will support and protect farmers on Ynys Môn. Last week I held a meeting with the NFU Cymru and the Shadow Secretary of State for Agriculture, Janet Finch-Saunders MS/AS with another planned soon for the Farmers’ Union of Wales and Ffermwyr Ifanc Môn. A few weeks ago I welcomed the Rt Hon Amanda Milling MP onto the island and took her to meet farmers near Llangefni.

The background to the Agricultural Bill is Brexit. We need this Bill as the basis from which to manage our Agriculture from January. There are two aspects of Brexit that this Bill addresses:

  1. Our Home Producers

On Ynys Môn, throughout Wales and across the UK our farmers have exceptionally high standards. One of the reasons the nation voted for Brexit was to give us the opportunity to deliver a support system for UK farmers which is reactive to their need and rewards good practice. What is more, a system which does not fund their rivals in the EU. Brexit also creates great opportunities for us to strike good free trade agreements which will allow our farmers to trade more widely. Just last month we agreed the first beef exports to the United States in over 20 years giving local farmers a new market for PGI Welsh Beef. This is just one example of the incredible opportunities in store for UK farmers.

  1. Developing Countries

The UK has also always supported farmers and producers in developing countries. However, the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) subsidises continental European farmers to produce food in quantities that we simply cannot eat. By subsidising farmers on the continent, the EU makes it impossible for impoverished African farmers to compete in the European market and thus they cannot make a sustainable living. Trade with developing countries is key to ending poverty and deprivation in so many nations.

It is these two points that I keep in mind when I am making decisions on the Agriculture Bill and our future trade decisions. This is why I believe that the Lords amendments to the Agriculture Bill don’t work and why I voted against them.

Like everyone in the UK I want to maintain our excellent food standards. It is our high standards that make British produce so attractive to other countries as well as to domestic buyers. The Government reacted to public demands for an independent food standards authority by establishing the Trade and Agriculture Commission earlier this year. The Commission will oversee food standards and includes representation from the NFU and other major farming groups and is chaired by the ex CEO of the Food Standards Agency. However, the Lords amendments create a potentially large set of new conditions that imports under trade agreements would have to meet. These conditions are not part of any existing agreement held by either the UK or the EU. In some cases it would be impossible for our trading partners to meet these conditions.

Whilst I completely agree that access to the UK’s market should not be easy, we cannot put in place so many new conditions to entry that we make trade deals difficult or impossible for our trading partners. This may even result in us losing export markets for our own producers. For example, the Lords amendments would require trading partners to meet UK requirements on nitrate vulnerable zones. Whilst this sounds like a good standard to enforce, these requirements are specifically designed to suit UK conditions and there are countries with climates and environments that would make this impossible.

As well as potentially disrupting trade agreements that are already in the advanced stages of negotiation, such restrictions could also affect our existing markets. In weighing up how I vote on the Agriculture Bill I must consider the cost that could come to not only existing exports, but any future potential export agreements.

If we accepted the Lords amendments our trading partners will need to meet a vast range of production standards – standards that we do not currently require them to meet. The cost of assessing and documenting compliance would rest with our trading partners. The more standards we add, the greater the cost for developing countries where the validation infrastructure and processes may not already be in place. The cost of implementation could add to the cost of imports as well as impacting the economic wellbeing of farmers in developing countries.

There is much that we import which we cannot produce in the UK but which UK companies add value to before retailing:

• £105m of bananas are imported annually from a variety of developing countries including the Dominican Republic, Belize, and Cameroon. British companies like Jordans Cereals and Dorset Cereals would be directly impacted if our own legislation on the protection of animals, plants and habitats could not be met by the importing countries.

• A similar problem would be faced by British confectionary and dessert manufacturers such as Tunnock’s, Cadbury and Mr Kipling if our annual £70m of cocoa bean imports from countries such as Côte d’Ivoire and Nigeria were affected.

• We import around £213m of black tea per year, the majority of which comes from Kenya. UK businesses such as Taylors, Twinings and Spicers all package and distribute tea imports.

• We import around £108m of coffee each year, from Vietnam, Ghana, Indonesia and other developing nations. If those countries were required to provide evidence that they meet UK carbon emission targets as set out in the Climate Change Act, our hospitality sector would be massively impacted.

“That’s all very well”, you may say, “Bananas and coffee are one thing, but what about the produce we do grow or raise in the UK? What about our Welsh lamb? Our farmers have high standards of animal welfare, so they use kinder but more expensive methods to produce their meat. If farmers overseas don’t have to meet those expensive animal welfare farming standards, they will bring in cheaper imports from animals they treat cruelly and undercut our farmers putting them out of business.”

Good question! I can reassure you that our animal and plant standards are enshrined in existing legislation. This includes import requirements. The EU (Withdrawal) Act moves across existing standards on animal welfare, animal and plant health, and food safety from EU law. For example, the legislation for the ban on hormones in beef is contained in EU legislation 2003/74/EC and the legislation preventing the import of chicken washed in chlorinated (non-potable) water is contained in regulation (EC) 853/2004 – the provisions of both now form part of UK law. Any changes to existing legislation would have to be brought before Parliament. The Agriculture Bill does not make any changes to this legislation.

I hope this outlines why I could not support amendments which would have such a catastrophic effect, not only on the future potential of UK agricultural businesses but would have a devastating impact on our existing imports, which are not only vital products in the UK market, but would also have a terrible impact on the exports so vital to the economies of developing nations. I could not support any amendment that would have such devastating consequences for the UK’s food supply and our ability to strike trade agreements which will benefit our producers.

Onprozacandmyhighhorse · 15/10/2020 18:30

Evening everyone! Apologies, I missed signing in this morning so missed breakfast again 😢. It looked delicious too. LilyI'm laughing at your updates on Dizzy. We have a new kitten (our first ever) and I'm amazed at how the whole house revolves around him. He's been here 2 weeks and has just discovered he can climb up the curtains! I mistakenly thought cats understood "No!" but quickly realised my error. He's gorgeous and is sound asleep on my lap at the moment.
Hope everyone is well. Hippo, you're baking cookies? (Taps foot and crosses arms) I hope that essay is nearly finished. Only joking, hope things are going well and you're on the home strait.

Nelllyyy · 15/10/2020 18:33

@TracysShoulder, once again thank you. ❤️

I love the kitty teepee. 😻

AnneKipanki · 15/10/2020 18:34

Pizza !

yellowspanner · 15/10/2020 18:51

It's pizza night.
Now, the most important thing is whether the large stash of pineapple made it here safely. If it did please can I have a margarita with black olives and lots of pineapple.

I will wrap up in a blanket with the support kittens and a mocktail.
Interesting post about farming standards. Perhaps we will start bringing in bananas from the Windward Islands and Jaffa oranges from Israel.

TeflonTits · 15/10/2020 18:51

I'm just going to sit in the corner with the Cats I'm afraid.

yellowspanner · 15/10/2020 18:52

Teflon, we are all rooting for you. Curl up by the fire and have some pizza.
Don't leave. Talk to us.

LilyLangtrey · 15/10/2020 18:58

Teflon, I could send you Dizzy for a bit

He's demanding chicken. Could I please have a chicken coriander pizza? I know that's a combination and a half. If I'm lucky, Dizzy will graciously deign to leave me the coriander and the pizza base.

Cocktails lined up here. Don't knock me over in the rush. Tracy will have more up her sleeve (you should see her dry cleaning bills Grin)

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SylviaGold · 15/10/2020 18:59

@TeflonTits Sorry to hear you feel so low. You sound very despondent and devoid of hope in your posts, which is very sad to see.

Are you able to share what has affected you so much over the last few days? A problem shared is a problem halved, as the old saying goes.

Perhaps just writing your worries down with help you feel a bit less burdened. Perhaps we may be able to suggest ways of tackling some of the issues that have brought you down.

Absolutely no pressure if you just want to sit and be quiet. Just know that people here are eager and willing to do whatever they can to support you and lift your mood. Come and have some pizza.

TeflonTits · 15/10/2020 19:04

@SylviaGold Lily will agree, that here is not the place to talk about whats finally got to me.

I've done so well, the last few days, but today its just been absolute bleh.

thegcatsmother · 15/10/2020 19:08

We have a choice on what we buy. I don't buy French anything if I can help it, and tried to avoid it all those years in Belgium), and it is doable. It's the same with anything from Argentina...I would rather go without.

If things come in from the U.S., we don't have to buy them, and if they remain unsold, the producers will either stop selling that product to the UK, or will modify it.

I agree that we have to help lesser developed economies grow by trade, not aid. Dropping protectionist barriers seems the best way to do that. I buy locally first, then British (except where the SNP are being twats about labelling of beef), then CANZ, then the rest of the Commonwealth, then Chile. I might buy Italian and Greece, but they need the help!!

Nelllyyy · 15/10/2020 19:09

@TeflonTits

I'm just going to sit in the corner with the Cats I'm afraid.
Come on Teffy,

I know it is hard, feeling down is bloody tiring and draining, you are on full speed at the moment, with everything going on, you are coping with it all on your own, you will come out of this stronger, you are doing an awesome job, something I couldn’t do.

As I said above in my last comment to you, I maybe the other end of the Country, but I am only a click away.

Luff ya lots. Nelly. 😁❤️👍🏻