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LilyLangtrey · 11/10/2020 12:44

Good afternoon, Clunkers!

Welcome to the Breakfast Club where the kettle is permanently on, the drinks flow and the snacks are both self-replenishing and calorie-free.

We start each day with a look at history and a tribute to a brave or inspiring woman. Mostly though, we just chat randomly about current affairs, recipes, life in lockdown, literature, music and anything else that comes into our heads.

Veteran Clunkers welcome. Anyone else who wants to join in the chat - sense of humour essential! - welcome.

Kettle's on Brew

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LilyLangtrey · 13/10/2020 23:50

MT wouldn't have been impressed.

She was always a sharp dresser. Wherever she went on her travels, she'd nip into the nearest haberdashery to sift through the buttons. She customised every outfit she wore by upgrading the buttons. Fact.

Just sew some buttons on your knickers, Nessa. Maggie would approve Grin

Night all. Sleep well. See you all tomorrow...

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Therebythedoor · 14/10/2020 00:08

@ClareBearstare21. I am so sorry to hear of your loss. Flowers

thegcatsmother · 14/10/2020 00:08

I was looking at the M&S web site for new knickers, but they have altered their offering. They don't seem to do bikini knickers any more, and I am not ready to migrate to harvest knickers (all is safely gathered in). I don't like high cut legs either, having hockey thighs.

Therebythedoor · 14/10/2020 00:20

I do that Lily! The right buttons can really upgrade an otherwise run of the mill top or coat! I buy buttons in anticipation. I know nothing of the finer points of fashion so might be deluding myself, but it makes me happy. Smile

Therebythedoor · 14/10/2020 00:24

I buy M&S harvest knickers and even they have their work cut out. Suspect crop failure this autumn...

ZombieFan · 14/10/2020 00:24

Is it just me or are adverts now appearing on the left, right and above the MN viewing window. Its making it very hard to navigate.

BakedCam · 14/10/2020 00:59

@ZombieFan

Just watched Sir Static call for another full national lockdown, like we had in March. Why? Once we start that again we will be shut down until winter is over. And bankrupt.
I'm normally on top of this stuff. However, I'm a little behind right now.

Even the WHO has come out and said, lockdowns don't work.

The UK's last lockdown didn't work. It was poorly implemented. It wasn't a lockdown. It was a 'stay at home' order.

SAGE minutes detail all of this.

NessalovesSmithy · 14/10/2020 05:15

I've got the most wonderful book that is loosely themed on buttons.

The Button Box - covering domestic and social history over the last hundred years. Written by someone who inherited her Grandmother's button box. Deals with the lives of regular women and their ever changing opportunities and aspirations, how the clothes they wore expressed their complete lack of wealth or otherwise, to entertain, be defiant, etc., etc..

Fascinating, although a bit repetitive in parts. At the time my mother had not long since given me most of the contents her button box, a very old chocolate tin. It contained all manner of things, not just buttons, it included coins, silver sixpences and coins that her father had from the time of WW1.

I did notice that the M&S offerings had changed catsmother , one things for sure, nothing stays the same does it.

NessalovesSmithy · 14/10/2020 05:29

Ive read the SAGE minutes Cam. On 21 September they were advocating a circuit breaker, including closure of bars, gyms, hairdressers, cafes, restaurants.

Stammer is just quoting the 'science', but our lives are more than just science aren't they?

I did consider the NHS the other day and all this talk of it being potentially overwhelmed, Having been on the receiving end of desperately urgent intervention last week made me think about that. My window (or someone with a stroke/heart attack etc.) was considered to be a relatively short three hours before it would have been Stage 2 and an ICU stay.

I haven't looked at the stats on admissions and hospital capacity so I'm not speaking from an informed place, just a reflective one.

NessalovesSmithy · 14/10/2020 05:49

I couldn't find it earlier Cam but the supplementary SAGE paper is far more informative than the minutes.

It claims that a two week circuit breaker would buy us 28 days or more and goes on to talk about the message being without contradiction to ensure adherence - like not being able to meet our families in our homes but being able to go to the pub.

It does make some sense but I can't help feeling that our country should be in a better place than we are seven months on.

LilyLangtrey · 14/10/2020 06:38

Morning, Nessa, you're an early bird like me this morning. Are you feeling any better?

I did complain to my MP about the confused and contradictory messaging and pointed out that I am law abiding and want to follow the rules, but the least the government can do in return is to ensure the rules are consistent and make sense.

Anyway, I'll put the kettle on. ☕️ ☕️

OTD to follow, any minute now. It's not my finest but yesterday was a mite busy as you know. Look after yourself today.

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LilyLangtrey · 14/10/2020 06:39

Morning, Clunkers!

On this day in 1066, the Battle of Hastings was fought near Pevensey. The English army, under the command of King Harold, was defeated by the forces of William the Conqueror and the feudal system was introduced.

In 1322, Robert the Bruce defeated Edward II at the Battle of Old Byland in Yorkshire, forcing Edward to accept Scotland's independence. Everything happens in Yawkshire. That situation held - despite many conflicts - until the 1707 Act of Union, over a century after James VI of Scotland (the son of Mary Queen of Scots) became James I of England.

And coincidentally, on this same day in 1586, Mary, Queen of Scots, went on trial for conspiring against Elizabeth I. She was convicted on 25th October and sentenced to death, but initially, Elizabeth was reluctant to order her execution because regicide, the killing of a king or queen, set a terrible precedent. The two women were first cousins once removed; Elizabeth’s grandfather and Mary’s grandmother were siblings.

Mary did not have an easy death. The first blow missed her neck and struck the back of her head. The second blow didn’t quite sever her neck; a third blow was required. She remained calm and resolute throughout. Her long auburn hair turned out to be a wig. Her own hair was short and grey. She was 45.

When Elizabeth’s throne passed to Mary’s son James, their shared bloodline brought the two kingdoms together.

In 1881, 181 fishermen died when the Berwickshire fishing fleet was caught in a hurricane. Black Friday remains Scotland's worst fishing disaster. 129 of the victims came from the village of Eyemouth.

In 1913, Britain's worst pit disaster took place at Senghenydd, near Caerphilly. More than 400 miners were killed in an explosion down a mine, caused by fire damp, a lethal mixture of methane and hydrogen.

On this day, the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Martin Luther King Jr for his work in combating racial inequality through nonviolence. His role model was Mahatma Gandhi.

Grace Jones, born on 7 December 1899 in Bermondsey, died at the age of 113 years 342 days. She was the last living British person to be born in the 1800s. Grace was engaged during WWI but her fiancé died on active service. She worked as a seamstress and for the government during and after WWII. Until just a few weeks before her death, she cleaned her own flat and did her own shopping. A remarkable woman.

Here’s to you, Mary and Grace 🥂

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lifestooshort123 · 14/10/2020 07:08

Morning Lily and thank you for the snippets - Grace Jones sounds a truly remarkable woman and must have had amazing inner resources to even want to live that long. And as for poor Mary, well, our RF are eminently civilised in comparison. Talking of buttons, 12 yr old grandson has koumpounaphobia (fear of self same) and finds daily life a challenge. School shirts, PE tops and blazers consume him on very anxious days. He's had help and is progressing but we can't wait until he is an adult and can live in roll necks as did Steve Jobs (also a sufferer). There are so many pitfalls in life these days that I wish some of Grace's indominitabke spirit was sprinkled over those who needed a bit of a leg up. Anyway, tablets taken and kettle on but it will be very weak black tea this morning - hot enough to steam up the specs! Morning all!

BakedCam · 14/10/2020 07:15

Morning, Clunkers,

Nessa, I agree with you. I have not read the SAGE report you mention - the SAGE minutes are quite late in being published (which really irritates me before I've even started) and the only difference between now and the March 'lockdown ' is that these latest restrictions are being handed down to local levels rather than national blanket measures put in place in March.

I'm eternally grateful to the team that cared for my husband which was touch and go there for a while. I can't fault them, (I just don't like NHS England's CEO) amazing team. I'm glad you were treated swiftly too, Nessa, that was a near miss and well done your GP.

For you read the Daily Analysis thread on here in the CV section? I've always found that to be a wealth of up to date information. Not sure im in the mood for SAGE reports today as there is other exciting news on the horizon.

Aha, I see Lily has arrived with OTD. Coffee first.

BakedCam · 14/10/2020 07:16

Have dammit - 😤 no edit button.

Autumngoldleaf · 14/10/2020 07:18

Good morning!

Very interesting lilly.

I've always found it fascinating that after all the strife between Mary and Liz, it was Mary's son who succeeded!

Hardwick Hall in Derbyshire has/had a wonderful exhibition about it.

Did anyone see the recent film about them? I must admit the hair colour put me off... I couldn't get into it. There was a much earlier version with Redgrave?

Re sober October... I wouldn't have been drinking in the pub anyway Nessa.

I did go to a restaurant recently but not a single window was open in a packed stuffy room. I was astounded and when I asked for a window to be opened towards the end of the meal, after asking my fellow diners if they minded, one side agreed it was the stuffy, the other lady shot me daggers! The window was opened the merest crack for 5 mins and she dramatically wrapped a shawl around herself and shivered.. Within 5 mins Confused

So I felt a bit let down by that.
Merkel is telling Germany to get ventilating. Opening a window is a free measure we can take to help disperse the virus and yet some people are afraid of it being opened.

The hand washing is a bit of a placebo, when it's respitory in the air...

You've reminded me of my mother's button tin! I used to be fascinated by buttons. Buttons can transform any item of clothing, like a good eyebrow tidy can lift the face.

I fell foul of m and s nickers a long time ago.. Asda do pretty good ones...

Autumngoldleaf · 14/10/2020 07:19
  • all the cat love is in sharp contrast to the thread title below Grin
Autumngoldleaf · 14/10/2020 07:21
  • hair dye I should have said, it was sort of lurid fake red orange... Didn't look realistic at All.maybe that reflected the hair dye at the time? I just wasn't fond of it. I adore Titian coulor hair, just not how they presented it, in that film.
BakedCam · 14/10/2020 07:32

Poor Mary. That made me wince.

Oh I have to find the Button Book. I have tins of them from my maternal grandmother. Who lived with my family. She was 98 when she died.

Lily, our BC women are warriors. Aside from those lost at such an early age, we do seem to have grand old BC Dames in the BC gallery.

LilyLangtrey · 14/10/2020 07:44

Morning again, everyone,

Absolutely agree about our BC women being warriors. The most irksome thing is that aside from very famous women like Mary QoS, the history of women is buried away in dusty footnotes at best. Just a passing mention. Yet they are there; they contributed discoveries of great value and despite the constrictions applied to our sex, they overcame huge barriers just to be heard.

I've made the comparison before. Fred Astaire got the money, the fame, the glory, but Ginger Rogers did exactly the same steps as him - but backwards, and in high heels. Oh, and for considerably less money too.

Cuppas all round. A new day ahead!

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AnneKipanki · 14/10/2020 07:58

GS here .
Device won't accept my PW.

Women have fought long and hard for their rights. I have great respect for these women and for the new generation that are trying to stop the erosion of our rights and very existence.
We may have buttons but we are not going to button our lips .

Better say MORNING ALL !

NessalovesSmithy · 14/10/2020 08:00

Here's the book.

Wonderful OTD as always Lily. I'm OK thank you, the reason I was awake so early ... I am drinking gallons.

Cam, the Transparency code gives LGOs 30 days to publish draft minutes, I'm not sure if that applies to SAGE or not but it might explain the delay. They are not marked as draft so they so they must have been ratified as a proper record before publishing which will happen at the following meeting, hence published on 12th October.

This is the background paper.

BakedCam · 14/10/2020 08:11

@NessalovesSmithy

Here's the book.

Wonderful OTD as always Lily. I'm OK thank you, the reason I was awake so early ... I am drinking gallons.

Cam, the Transparency code gives LGOs 30 days to publish draft minutes, I'm not sure if that applies to SAGE or not but it might explain the delay. They are not marked as draft so they so they must have been ratified as a proper record before publishing which will happen at the following meeting, hence published on 12th October.

This is the background paper.

Thank you, Nessa. For both.

The SAGE minutes were published in May/June after demands from local governments. Initially they were not published and it was like the secret service. Another Doriser and I went through them with a nit comb. The former Nudge unit was decommissioned and the behavioural science was added in to the SAGE group.

Crisp morning here.

Onprozacandmyhighhorse · 14/10/2020 08:12

Morning Clunkers! What a lovely cup of tea - just hits the spot. Love today's OTD and the info about Mary and Grace. Funny, I didn't enjoy the recent film about Mary and Elizabeth at all but it was Mary's accent that spoiled it for me. It was a weird sort of west of Scotland modern accent. I always assumed she would have a french accent! I imagine they did a lot of research so there you go. Still, a fascinating and very sad story.
Today is my DH's birthday. We've had to cancel our plans to go out for a meal so are going for a posh afternoon tea instead. Really looking forward to it.
Have a lovely day and I'm keeping an eye out for the butler having been late the past two days xxx

Pippacroux · 14/10/2020 08:15

I'm so sorry, it's the wrong Clare Flowers

But I'm so angry at the sockpuppets on the other thread going on with glee a d talking absolute shit Angry

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