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Misconceptions by Naomi Wolf - omg

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Pruners · 05/10/2007 19:10

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bigmouthstrikesagain · 05/10/2007 23:55

sounds like it is my dh needs to read this not me! I am torn about Naomi Wolf - I have found some of her writing and opinion very insightful, but also a tad ott and paranoiac at times... i do have some sympathy for EiS take on this.

expatinscotland · 06/10/2007 00:19

LOL at the thought of DH reading this book!

Right up there with the thought of his wearing Birkenstocks.

Or when I overheard a friend of mine whispering above a slight giggle about my new boyfriend, 'Aw, he's sensitive ponytail man.'

Heathcliffscathy · 06/10/2007 10:11

like i said, this should be required reading for fathers to be.

FluffyMummy123 · 06/10/2007 10:12

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Heathcliffscathy · 06/10/2007 10:14

of course

morningpaper · 06/10/2007 10:56

I think expat if you gave up 3/4 of the way through then you missed the good atuff

It was the part about the male-female power balance that really taught me a LOT

I was GLAD I read it when pregnant because it meant that from Day 1 I was determined that we would be EQUAL parents

It also made me FAR less likely to criticise DH - and to let him learn from his parenting mistakes just like I do (OK he is still unable to dress them nicely but I never mention it)

But it also made me very aware that I would probably put up with a lot of shit if DH wasn't the man that he is - and that scared me a lot

WideWebWitch · 06/10/2007 17:18

Sophable, I was like this when I read 'EX' in your post but then I saw it was a typo

expatinscotland · 06/10/2007 20:50

But see, some of us didn't need to read this tome of moan to already know that, MP.

You see, there's no 'power struggle' in some peoples' relationships because from the get go they don't put up with bullshit from each other or from themselves.

Yes, it really happens!

It's called self-respect and it comes from parents who teach their children - male and female - that if they don't respect themselves no one else will and you don't have to read Naomi-Howls-Like-a-Wolf to suss that out. It also comes from learning from one's mistakes and maturity, when you just don't want to be bothered with bullshit anymore because it's more trouble than it's worth.

SO many people, women in particular, in white, middle-class and upper class American and British society tend to over-analyse and over-dramatise so many aspects of their lives and make themselves very unhappy and stressed out unnecessarily.

Yes, that's my truly honest observation and opinion.

My DH would have zero use for a book like this, not that he could read it - he has such severe dyslexia he is barely literate.

But I have to say I learned more from his approach to life than any 'literature' I ever read.

moondog · 06/10/2007 20:55

I'm with Expat.

I did however devour Wolf and Cusk tomes when a new mother and subject my poor good kind dh to lots of drunken hormonal rantings.

I've wised up a bit since then.

Yup,think a bit less and do a bit more!

moondog · 06/10/2007 20:56

It's another instance of present day malaise that leads us to spend good money on being told................................................................................................ ...................................
really fucking obvious stuff.

expatinscotland · 06/10/2007 20:59

Yes, moony, I do recall many drunken sessions with my mates pre-children when we all discussed 'the meaning of life'.

Now I know: it's to get on with it!

LOL!

If I read another author/journo 'I'm pregnant' vehicle again I'm truly going to be sick. I wrote a review of one such, I can't remember which diatribe it was: 'Yeah, you're pregnant. So?'

moondog · 06/10/2007 21:01

I credit my MSc in Applied Behaviour Analysis in freeing me from hideous tyranny of thibking too much.

Now I hardly think at all.

Tis terrific.

expatinscotland · 06/10/2007 21:06

I was once the Queen of Over-Analysis.

Now I laugh at what a senseless misery I made my life because of it.

Soooooo glad the DDs appear to take after DH, who is about hte happiest bloke I've ever met.

He's sitting here laughing in front of 'South Park' right now .

moondog · 06/10/2007 21:09

lmao

Very true

My dh is similar.

He has snapped me out of my self indulgent misery.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 06/10/2007 21:12

Anyone have a copy they'd like to lend to me?

moondog · 06/10/2007 21:16

Don't bother.
Go and watch something jolly like 'Animal House' instead to cheer you up.

expatinscotland · 06/10/2007 21:17

'Flounder, face it. You fucked up. You trusted us.'

Pruners · 06/10/2007 23:49

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expatinscotland · 06/10/2007 23:55

Well, it worked for me, Pruners - the not over-analysing, that is.

Horse for courses.

If the opposite is true for you, fair enough.

But you asked, 'What did you think?' and some of us thought it was a pile, that's all.

Try not to take things so personally.

Pruners · 06/10/2007 23:56

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harpsicorpsecarrier · 06/10/2007 23:57

I have ordered a copy from the library

oh how I wish I had read it, so I could have a Strong Opinion about it
I shall have a strong opinion about it in about three weeks time, when you will all be talking about something else

expatinscotland · 06/10/2007 23:59

Well, I didn't assume it. I concluded that from this sentence of your post, 'Have the feeling that being told to think less is on a par with 'Be less sensitive' which has the undoubted effect of keeping some people down and out of one's face.'

I was mentioned personally in your last post so concluded you'd taken such remarks of ours personally.

But again, I gave my opinion. I thought the book was tripe and whingey.

Am now leaving this discussion because to me this isn't worth arguing about.

Pruners · 07/10/2007 00:02

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harpsicorpsecarrier · 07/10/2007 00:06

oui oui
must go to bed
xx

Pruners · 07/10/2007 00:10

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