Anyone want to discuss whether there is any justification to viewing a scene of graphic violence

[Twiglett]

I was just responding to Leati regarding the viewing of the prisoner beating video when the thread was pulled.

I do think that the discussion was probably worthwhile .. and I heartily applaud the thread being pulled.

My question is this

What is the moral justification for clicking on a link you have been pre-warned is a realtime video of graphic violence against a prisoner convicted of viewing paedophiliac images

How is it any different from clicking on a link that is real video of graphic violence against anyone else?

nobody wants a discussion then

about viewing the video as opposed to retribution within the justice system

Yes, because you moaned & complained 4 times as you said. They have to, and no, they didn't even email me to tell me to behave. So now you have shut me up on that thread. Does it make you personally feel better that any other person who comes on MN will not be able to read it. Because, what you are saying is that we are all too stupid to read titles with warnings in them and that everyone else should or must feel the same way as you.

That, shows me that you must think you are very important.

maybe no one actually watched the footage twigg.

or they feel shame at doing so and do not wish to admit it

Sorry Twiglett, I have sent your thread off on another tangent.

I didn't, saw about 10 seconds and couldn't watch it all.

UCM have you contacted MNHQ to request the reason for the thread deletion? i am sure it had little to do with teh subject in discussion and more to do with the vile footage that was attached.

if you feel so stringly about the subject matter why not try a new thread without the clip.

didn't see the original thread.

I'm not the sort of person who would view stuff like this and there is no moral justification but sadly I think it's a normal human reaction, call it morbid curiosity. It's like rubber-necking. It does beg the question though just what people draw the line at in viewing terms?

sorry Twiglett.

IMO, there isn't a difference. It could have been one of a child being abused. Having "the warning" is fascile.

Am off out to do nice things.

Nah, no point, I knew the score then I started that one. Very very predictable.

If anyone wants to read about the case it's on the Mails website and no the footage isn't shown unless you request it. There is a warning there too.

Don't bang the door on your way out.

I've obviously missed a lot here, perhaps I should shut up

Twiglett can't ans your q because I didn't view the link and never had any temptation too. I always find violent scenes distressing real or fictional. I think it is important to treat violence as an abberation and in a civilised society not acceptable, but it is important for some violent scenes to be viewed i.e. on the news to bring to peoples attn the terrible wars etc. that are going on in the world - we should not live in a bubble filtering out everything we do not like.

This clip would not have added anything to my knowledge of the world or broadened my horizons - I would have felt like one of the old hags knitting during the beheadings of the french revolution!

no ucm..wrong again..not about me at all.

edam put it perfectly, and you knowwhat she posted.

I didn't moan. I complained.

Will leave you now to your anger and loathing. bye.

i only got a picture on the link, it was from the daily mail and was published in yesterday's papers

Ok, I will tell you what occurred. I linked to the Daily Mails clip of a drug dealer in Malaysia being whipped and said that I thought that some people in this world would benefit from it.

I don't even need to type any more about it. Usual words vile, heinous, sick blah blah blah

Message withdrawn

Oh and Pan, don't bring anyone else into it. This particular spat is between me & you, not me you and Edam.

'if a national newspaper is able to link the video then I think it should be left.'

Don't agree, oops. Didn't take part in the thread but did read it and clicked on the link, but did not watch the video. The pictures were more than enough for me (have found it very difficult to stop thinking of the one of the wounds today), and I'm horrified that the DM sees fit to host such material on its website.

Message withdrawn

Actually Berolina, I was surprised, but saying that, the only reason I linked it was because if they felt it fit....

Had it been on www.depraved&savage.com (if there is such a site) I wouldn't have.

ahem.

UCM. crime rates are steady. not spiralling upwards

we do NOT live in a more violent society then we ever did.

saying someone is predictable is not an argument.

startouchedtrinity I could not agree more with your post.

UCM, why are you personally so angry? so angry that you think that beating someone up is an answer to the violence that they may do?

I guarantee you...GUARANTEE YOU that the 'children' that killed the cricketing man had NOT been 'loved to death'.

and PLEASE if you will, try to argue this point rather than throwing out some comment that does not address it at all: surely, in the terms that you are arguing, the ultimate deterrent is the death penalty? could you kindly let me know why it has done NOTHING to dent americas crime rate in the states in which it is legal? forget the humanitarian, humane arguments against using the same tools against perpetrators as they use themselves....it DOES NOT WORK.

The link was to an article - I didn't watch the video either,
where on the page was it anyway?

What the article did was spark debate, it led to a very robust
and interesting exchange of views. It also meant some of the
MNers who actually know their stuff enlightened the rest of us.
They are still doing so on another thread, partly thanks to UCM's original thread.

All those informative posts (I particularly wanted to read mamazon's)
are now gone.

I hope Justine explains why the thread was pulled,
does not seem justified by Mumsnet standards.

I think the DM made a grave error of judgement by disseminating this content. I am not a fan of the DM but I would say exactly the same if it were the Guardian or whatever.

we're definitely more exposed to violence though.

there are definitely more shootings than there used to be.

definitely more knifings than there used to be.

particularly amongst our youth.