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Why aren't women feminists? Surely no-one thinks all the battles have been won?

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WideWebWitch · 20/01/2007 11:45

OK, so I don't have any proper evidence to back this up (so don't post I hear you say, oh well, I bet there is some, so I will!) but I gather that increasingly young women aren't feminists and don't believe there's any need for a feminist movement of any kind. They think all the battles have been won. I know for sure they haven't but WHY do they think this? And why would anyone NOT be a feminist? If you're not, why not? I know this conversation has been had before on mn but I'm still interested.

I agree with Janice Turner about New Woman mag rebranding itself because young women don't like the word 'woman' fgs, this is an example of the sort of thing I mean.

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morningpaper · 22/01/2007 21:20

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expatinscotland · 22/01/2007 21:21

Well, I'd agree w/you there in that you were mistreated by the administration.

Was he married?

Cuz I'd have made sure his wife found out.

moondog · 22/01/2007 21:21

'loads at my university'
Eh???????
So much for education eh.

expatinscotland · 22/01/2007 21:22

Oh, they're being educated all right, moony .

moondog · 22/01/2007 21:23

You-!

paulaplumpbottom · 22/01/2007 21:25

Expat you are saucy. Was this the guy from the shower.

morningpaper · 22/01/2007 21:25

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morningpaper · 22/01/2007 21:26

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moondog · 22/01/2007 21:26

You were married??
At 18???

expatinscotland · 22/01/2007 21:28

No way, paula! The shower guy I only know as Neal from County Meath.

I picked him up in an Irish bar after the off boyfriend stood me up at the restaurant across the street.

I thought, why waste getting all dressed up?

paulaplumpbottom · 22/01/2007 21:32

Ouch! I thought the good doctor was at work?

expatinscotland · 22/01/2007 21:36

he was.

after he stood me up - NOT for work.

his shift didn't start till midnight.

and i didn't realise what his whereabouts were after he told me some BS story after standing me up.

git.

another two times, we argued in France and he ditched me to go climbing, once w/his ex 'Psycho Beth', who'd nearly killed a former boyfriend of hers when she grabbed the wheel of the car he was driving in an argument and steered them into oncoming traffic [shock}.

and both times, i found other companionship .

it was a really dysfunctional relationship.

he phoned me around 10AM after Neal night, and Neal picked up the phone.

i could hear him sputtering, 'You slut!'

takes one to know one, jon.

we got back together after that.

Pruni · 22/01/2007 21:37

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morningpaper · 22/01/2007 21:37

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Pruni · 22/01/2007 21:41

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moondog · 22/01/2007 21:53

So Pruni,is there a difference between the two d'you think and if so what is it?
Not a trick question,am wondering how you say that 'this is ok,but that^ definitely isn't.

There was a very long thread a few weeks ago from Amanda who had shagged her boss over a desk.Was that ok???

paulaplumpbottom · 22/01/2007 22:00

I don't know how he harrassed you Pruni, but I used to work in an office where one of the juniors screamed sexual harrasment because this guy (who did have a crush on her) told her she looked pretty every day. I had witnessed this several times and I thought he was completely sweet. It apparently made her uncomftorable but she never said anything until she spoke to her lawyer about suing. Luckily it swung in his favor. When does a compliment turn into harrasment?

Pruni · 22/01/2007 22:14

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Pruni · 22/01/2007 22:20

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paulaplumpbottom · 22/01/2007 22:22

Oh yes, I can understand how awful that must have been. Sorry it happened to you.

Pruni · 22/01/2007 22:24

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foxinsocks · 22/01/2007 22:30

the David Cameron opting out of the Social Chapter has been out for a bit - I think the first time it was common knowledge (and I may be wrong) was when he said it in a speech to private business in Oct last year . It's (one of) his concessions to the old right wing guard (the Tories negotiated an opt out to it, I think it was Major who did that (?) and Blair, as one of first moves, made a very public move to opt back in to it)

Pruni · 22/01/2007 22:40

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foxinsocks · 22/01/2007 22:45

yes - but as the next general election probably won't be until 2009/10, we have a few more years of listening to Cameron trying to appease the right wing side of his party at the same time as trying to appeal to the 'middle ground' (as they so love to call it!).

foxinsocks · 22/01/2007 22:48

sorry, I didn't really answer you there.

What I meant is that the thought of him even contesting an election, let alone coming to power, is still a fairly long way off.

It's quite interesting watching what policies he's coming up with though. You can almost see him wanting to appeal more liberal than the traditional tories but at the same time having to concede certain things for the right of his party.

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