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Todays moral dilema

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Beabea · 28/10/2006 20:39

I have a friend visiting who breast feeds her 1yr old son. As he is not with her on this trip she has had to express some off. Should she have thrown away her milk or fed it to my 5week old son.

It doesn't quite sit right with us but we can't really say why.

OP posts:
3andnomore · 28/10/2006 22:53

actually there is now 3 threads on this, one of which the op actually replied too ...hmmmm...just a wind up?

hunkermunker · 28/10/2006 22:55

I donate bmilk to a milk bank for preemies.

DS2 is 9mo.

They'll take it as long as I produce it because I started donating before DS2 was 6mo.

Hazelnut, you're talking out of your bottom, I'm afraid.

theHAUNTEDhazelnut · 28/10/2006 23:02

oh well, I go on what I know and you can do whatever.

If only you knew that a lot of work that goes into how we work as people and babiescomes from cows and pigs.

I know this as my dad worked on a farm where they helped do a lot of the work!!

3andnomore · 28/10/2006 23:04

Hazelnut, noone is disputing you knowing a lot about farming and pigs and cows, but then they are not humans are they.....cows have got how many stomachs and regurgitate normally, and pigs eat anything, humands aren't inclined as such. and every species has their own lil differences!
Also in Farming things are often done to make a profit not necessarily to be nice to the individual animal!

ilovecaboose · 28/10/2006 23:08

cows produce milk differently to people. Just cos it happens to their milk doesn't mean it will happen to ours.

And am pretty sure this isn't a wind up and was accidently posted more than once as Beabea came back to one of them and explained why she asked it - hypothetical, just wondering type of thing.

hairymclary · 28/10/2006 23:17

sorry hauntedhazelnut but you're talking rubbish. breastmilk does not deteriorate with the age of your child, that's quite a ridiculous statement.
pigs and cows have absolutely nothing to do with it.

theHAUNTEDhazelnut · 28/10/2006 23:19

3andnomore Alot of the work for IVF was done with cows way before thay tied it on us humans. They way the cow works is very close to us humans. Their milk is very much inline with ours too!
The pig heart is just like ours. There was talk of using pigs heart in us. but the pigs heart is not very good when it comes to stress. but they do use parts of the pigs heart in human heart opps now!

That is why I said about cows milk and how its done. I done bits at school and with the farm where my dad worked I learnt a lot and got a lot of info.

I did not know this was a thread on BM or FF milk. Just was it good to feed a 5 week old baby with milk from a mum who had been feeding her milk for over 1 year.

hairymclary · 28/10/2006 23:20

trust me HH, there is nothing wrong with feeding a 5 week old milk from a mum who has been nursing for a year.
nothing.

hairymclary · 28/10/2006 23:21

I honestly fail to see what IVF and pigs hearts have to do with it

ELF1981 · 28/10/2006 23:21

My comments re milk was based on a load of info I've been told / things that i have read re milk adapting as the child grows older to suit the nutritional needs. I thought that was right? Though I must admit I'd never thought about how it works when people are tamdem feeding.
Personally with the OP - I cant see why you'd have an issue with what happened. Were you wanting your friend to feed your ds, or did she offer?
If it were me, when I'm away from dd I express, store and then give to the CM the following day for dd to drink that day. It would never cross my mind to pass the milk onto another person for them to feed their child to then express again for my dd the following day.

hunkermunker · 28/10/2006 23:27

Hazelnut, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

I donate breastmilk. It is fed to premature babies.

Thank you for allowing me to "do whatever".

But I'm afraid that "what you know" may very well be the case for cows and pigs, but it is NOT the case for humans.

Otherwise why would I be allowed to donate milk?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 28/10/2006 23:27

Cows milk protein is hugely different to human and even sheeps milk protein. The two are pretty incomparable.

Plus the conditions that some cows are kept in are vastly different to that of a nursing mother, and I would imagine that played a large part in the matter too.

theHAUNTEDhazelnut · 28/10/2006 23:32

hairymclary, BM does deteriorate with the age of your baby. If it did not then we would not need to feed baby othewr foods until they are over a year old.

Way does FF milk change?

Your milk when BF is at its best in the first few months. after that it goes down. Unless you were to change what you eat.

The baby in this thread is 5 weeks old.

Perm babies dont need rich milk as it would be too rich for there not ready tums!! Thats why it good to have older milk from mums for that!

It would be checked first before giving it to a baby though. It would be better and easier to test rather than have to say to a mum who baby died because the milk that it got had something wrong with it.

hairymclary · 28/10/2006 23:39

jeez, this is the most ridiculous thing i have heard.
HH where are you getting this information from? it makes me sad that there are people that are so misinformed in the world still

theHAUNTEDhazelnut · 28/10/2006 23:42

hunkermunker I know what you are saying, your milk would be tested before passing it on to another baby. If they just took your milk and gave it to a baby and then that baby died because your milk had a bug in it, they would be very very bad trouble, would they not?

I am not saying your milk is bad, but it could be.
How would you feel if you found out that your milk made a young baby ill?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 28/10/2006 23:43

W
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hairymclary · 28/10/2006 23:44

good god. breastmilk doesn't kill babies. why on earth would it have a 'bug' in it?????????

you're making this up as you go along

hairymclary · 28/10/2006 23:45

breastmilk does NOT deteriorate with the age of your baby.
I'm sorry, but you are wrong

hunkermunker · 28/10/2006 23:47

FFS, Hazelnut.

Donor milk IS tested before it's fed to prem babies.

Of course it is.

I have had blood tests, I will have more again when I finish donating bmilk.

But ffs - what sort of evils do you imagine lurk in bmilk?!

3andnomore · 28/10/2006 23:47

"3andnomore Alot of the work for IVF was done with cows way before thay tied it on us humans. They way the cow works is very close to us humans. Their milk is very much inline with ours too! "

Fair enough, but it doesn't make us likke eachother, and closeness in some functions does not necessarily mean we function the same, like I said, cows huge difference is their stomachs, and they are vegetarians and naturally meant that way (but, not saying this stops farmers giving them meat products of course...and no, not syaing your dad is, just this is a common thing to do in farming it seems!!!!!

"The pig heart is just like ours. There was talk of using pigs heart in us. but the pigs heart is not very good when it comes to stress. but they do use parts of the pigs heart in human heart opps now! "

Yes, pigs hearsts valves are used, but now they also gentically modify parts they want to implant because it gives better chances!

"That is why I said about cows milk and how its done. I done bits at school and with the farm where my dad worked I learnt a lot and got a lot of info. "

still cows and humans are not the same, indeed even though human tend to drink cows milk it's not even been proven to be a positive thing, and a lot of the drink milk for calcium hype seems to be to keep cowfarmers/dairys in business...and no am not against cowsmilk, I personally like the taste!

"I did not know this was a thread on BM or FF milk. Just was it good to feed a 5 week old baby with milk from a mum who had been feeding her milk for over 1 year. "

Bea said she was FF anyway, which is much more far away then any Breastmilk, no matter how old the Baby is, could be anyway,,,and believe me please, but nursing someone elses child used to be common in our society, the rich used to do it, and is still common in other societies, and even the WHO states, that first option to feed should be bf by mum directly, 2. choice ebm, of mother, 3. choice donated ebm and 4th choice formula....

hairymclary · 28/10/2006 23:47
  • "Human milk expressed by mothers who have been lactating for >1 year has significantly increased fat and energy contents, compared with milk expressed by women who have been lactating for shorter periods. During prolonged lactation, the fat energy contribution of breast milk to the infant diet might be significant."
    -- Mandel 2005

  • "Breast milk continues to provide substantial amounts of key nutrients well beyond the first year of life, especially protein, fat, and most vitamins."
    -- Dewey 2001

  • In the second year (12-23 months), 448 mL of breastmilk provides:
    o 29% of energy requirements
    o 43% of protein requirements
    o 36% of calcium requirements
    o 75% of vitamin A requirements
    o 76% of folate requirements
    o 94% of vitamin B12 requirements
    o 60% of vitamin C requirements
    -- Dewey 2001

VeniVidiVickiQV · 28/10/2006 23:47

It's properties do change from birth onwards - it certainly doesnt deteriorate.

As for possibly killing a baby......

3andnomore · 28/10/2006 23:48

Can I also just say, that with most bugs, bm will carry the mild type pluss all the antigens to fight it!

3andnomore · 28/10/2006 23:50

Oh and why would there be more evil thngs lurking in another womans Breastmilk than forinstance cowsmilk or FF (which is cowsmilk derived???)

theHAUNTEDhazelnut · 28/10/2006 23:50

You get the bug and then it gets into your milk! Your DC would be at a age where it could fight the bug. Very small babies are not.
Have you not had your Dc change when you have eaten something like a curry?

My DD would get bad tums if I eat onions, curry, etc. Her tum could not take that milk. I had to go very careful with what I eat.

The same goes to getting bugs in milk

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