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Think you have a wheat allergy/intolerance? Read this. Want to come and trot out some food-related excuses? Read this...

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hunkermunker · 25/09/2006 21:26

This article should be read by anyone who eats shop-bought bread.

To quote:

"But most troubling of all, recent research suggests that one enzyme, transglutaminase, used in food manufacturing and baking, may actually turn some of the gliadin protein in wheat flour into a form that can be toxic to some people. Even the organic loaves made by the industrial bakers can contain this stuff."

I know how we all love a food thread(!), but I have been pondering the "everything in moderation" line a lot today.

Whilst I believe this is true, to a certain extent (a bit of decent chocolate won't hurt), I really, really believe that if we just allow our food producers to put ever-increasing amounts of weird non-food ingredients into our food we will see ever-increasing behavioural and health-related problems in the general population.

It is precisely the "turn-a-blind-eye" parents who don't really seem to give a toss what their children eat (and I'm so not talking about mums of SN children, so please don't bang that drum on this thread, I beseech you!) - they just pull out the "everything in moderation" line and cheerfully continue giving artificial sweeteners, trans-fat laden, GM enzyme processed stuff to their children and eating it themselves who perpetuate the cycle of this food being produced.

Until we stop buying this crap, food manufacturers will continue to churn out cheap, chemical shit (in the sense of "not found in your average store cupboard" as I know all things are chemicals - heavens, but I'm covering my bases here, aren't I?!).

And, if I may mention food miles here (since it's a bit of a mixture thread - wtf are apples from Australia doing at my local Sainsburys? Honestly, we grub up orchards in this country to fly in apples from the other side of the world, a world which seems to have gone stark-staring bonkers.

Aye thenk yow.

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TooTicky · 25/09/2006 21:32

Shop breadscares me. The tastealone should be enough to stop people buying it.

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hunkermunker · 25/09/2006 21:46

You're right, Aviatrix. As for bread mixes you can get for breadmakers - wtf is the point of those?! And the ingredients in them!

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StrawberryMoon · 25/09/2006 21:48

weve been buying hovis best of both lately..had two days still in date and it smelt(not the first loaf either!) like strong chemicals!!!!!!!!!

NappiesGalore · 25/09/2006 21:51

blimey. gotta be on your guard against evrything nowadays, havnt you? might dig out that old breadmaker from the barn...

fullmoonfiend · 25/09/2006 21:52

ohgodogodogodogod! Another thing for me to worry about.
I've just been feeling all virtuous and smug on the homemade thread about all the home cooking I do and now I read this.
I have a bread maker, but we go through a loaf of bread in a day in this house, so I bake half the week and buy the rest. I buy brown bread, but as I'm skint, it's usually Asda S/P brown.

I'm poisoning my children. Can someone pass me a stale baguette to beat myself up with?

hunkermunker · 25/09/2006 21:53

Go for it, NG - you won't regret it (you have a barn? Cool!).

I know that a lot of people go "oh, well, you can't eat anything these days, it seems" - but if you think about it, you can - just not overly processed stuff.

Food's lasting longer and longer because it has more and more chemicals in. Convenience, my arse.

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fattiemumma · 25/09/2006 21:59

I bought best of both recently but had to revert back to Wholegrain (much to ds's disaproval)becasue i was worried that the school dinner ladies might think it was just plain old white.

plus i was a bit worried abut how they can get all the good stuff from wholegrain into a white bread.

i really want a breadmaker...,may have to ask santa

kellywellyboots · 25/09/2006 22:03

yeah! have recently-ish converted to organic milk and noticed that it goes off way sooner than the - ahem - 'normal' stuff and it made me think... like, when i was a kid, thats how milk was, it just went off after a few days. what the hell do they do to it now that it stays fresh for 10 days!?

Ellbell · 25/09/2006 22:05

Sorry, hm, not got time to read the original article now (will try to do so later, but work hanging over me...). Is the chemically stuff added to the bread? It's not in the flour is it? (Haven't bought bread - except in emergency situations - for 18 months now...)

hunkermunker · 25/09/2006 22:08

The article's not massively long, Ellbell - here is is. I don't think it's in flour - but I would say try to get decent stuff:

"The poisonous truth about our daily bread

It's thought of as the staff of life, but the truth is that some loaves are actually harming us

Andrew Whitley
Sunday September 17, 2006
The Observer

Take charge of your health, says the government, by choosing the right foods. This is easier said than done with our most basic food - bread. To make sensible choices, we need to know what goes into our daily loaf and how it is made. But the big bakers won't tell us, exploiting a loophole in the law which classes certain substances used in bread as 'processing aids' that need not be declared. While they refuse to be open about the way bread is made, we should assume that they have something to hide.

A recent, much-publicised statement by teachers, writers and psychologists claimed that childhood is being 'poisoned', in part by the 'junk food' that is known to be a factor in some child development disorders. A child's physical and psychological growth, they warned, 'cannot be accelerated. They change in biological time, not at electrical speed'. British industrial baking, too, appears to have abandoned the timescale of biology. Time has been removed from the baking process, replaced by electrical energy and additives. Industrial bakers target children with 'crustless' loaves whose nutritional vacuity is masked by appeals to convenience and indulgence.

Children dislike crusts, they assert, ignoring the fact that childhood constipation, obesity and diabetes, all possibly affected by the bread we eat, are major public-health concerns.

But give or take the crusts, such infantile fodder is no different from the bread that 95 per cent of the British population eats. It is relatively cheap and available in a multitude of brands and varieties, including ever more options purporting to include some 'healthy' additions. Bread is not what it was.

About 15 years ago, people started asking me to make bread without wheat, yeast or gluten. Shop bread made them feel 'bloated' or worse. Irritable bowel syndrome, candidiasis and Crohn's disease all entered common parlance. Coeliac disease now affects one in a 100 people, other wheat intolerances probably more. How did we get here?

We have bred wheat to produce high yields in intensive growing conditions with scant regard for its nutritional quality; modern varieties have 30-50 per cent fewer minerals than traditional ones. Fast roller milling separates grain into its constituent parts so effectively that white flour has up to 88 per cent less of a range of minerals and vitamins than whole wheat. A recent study showed that organic stoneground flour had 50 per cent more magnesium and 46 per cent more zinc than chemically grown roller-milled flour.

The changes to baking have been equally drastic. The Chorleywood Bread Process, invented in 1961, uses intense energy, chemical additives and large amounts of yeast to produce loaves in a very short time. Nearly all the bread eaten in Britain is made by this method or one that uses similar additives. If dough is not allowed to ferment for several hours, there is little chance for natural bacteria to destroy harmful elements in the dough and to make important nutrients available to the human body.

Worse still, enzymes, often genetically modified, are added to flour and dough to make loaves bigger and keep them squishy for days, if not weeks, after baking. But most troubling of all, recent research suggests that one enzyme, transglutaminase, used in food manufacturing and baking, may actually turn some of the gliadin protein in wheat flour into a form that can be toxic to some people. Even the organic loaves made by the industrial bakers can contain this stuff.

The industry is keen to sell us 'premium' loaves with fashionable additions of omega-3, inulin, folic acid and the like. But if we don't attend to the innate quality of our wheat and flour, our diet will consist of little more than nutrified industrial slop.

The relatively affluent may be able to afford a broad diet, but poorer people depend disproportionately on bread. For them, especially, it matters that every slice is as good as possible.

Bread is life. Literally, in the sense that, properly made, it has what agricultural pioneer George Stapledon called 'the ability to enliven'. Symbolically, in that it stands for all food. We need to reclaim the staff of life from those who profit by selling it to us and refuse to admit what's in it. Increasing numbers of people are already doing this and making bread slowly with their own hands.

Were the baking industry to stop and ask itself what this signifies, I'd be tempted to say: it's about time."

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feckit · 25/09/2006 22:18

I was wondering what to ask my mum for for christmas... was tossing up between the slow cooker and the breadmaker, and now I know. Thanks Hunker - really interesting article.

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hunkermunker · 25/09/2006 22:33

Dinosaur, can you get a breadmaker? It takes seconds to stick the stuff into it - you can do it before you go to bed and leave it on timer so it's done when you get up.

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dinosaur · 25/09/2006 22:35

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moondog · 25/09/2006 22:35

I saw this.
It's gross isn't it,the way that 'goodies' such as folic acid are added to stuff that has been denuded of any goodness in the first place.

I think there is a very simple rule of thumb:the less fucked around your food has been,the better it will be for you.

Joanna Blythman on the radio today was pointing out that one of the reasons food maufacturers love processing,is that it increases profit margins enormously.

Her example was a bag of raw potatoes.However prettied up they are (ie washed and put in a nice bag)as a raw product,there is a ceiling to top price.

Yet slice 'em and fry 'em,adding flavourings,or mash,pipe and present in plastic box with cellophane lid and cardboard sleeve,then voila,the tills really start to ring.

moondog · 25/09/2006 22:35

What about electric costs of breadmaker???

velcrobott · 25/09/2006 22:38

When I read "Not on the label" by Felicity Lawrence... and it talks about all the crap that in "raising agents" which is one of the 2 ingredients in shop made bread (that and flour!) I bought a breadmaker... I make bread everyday.,... it takes 2mins to make it. Found some fab flours and I make a variety of breads with all sorts of nuts... far healtier generally.
Just started this thread and just saw yours Hunker...

Carmenere · 25/09/2006 22:39

Joanna Blytheman is my hero, her book, Shopped, should be compulsary reading for everyone.

dinosaur · 25/09/2006 22:40

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velcrobott · 25/09/2006 22:42

Well I costed my ingredients for a 500gr loaf... organic flour (1.05/kg) water (free?), a teaspoon of yeast (I buy a sour dough thing from France and it comes to 5p/bread), a teaspoon of salt (1p?)
I do not add as they suggest milk, sugar and butter. I often add seeds and they are organic so tey may come at an extra 10p/bread?

So my bread costs 79p at best.... + electricity + cost of machine...
Still MUST be cheaper than £1.09 for a smaller simple loaf - price I use to pay... sorry never bought that pre-sliced crxp)

hunkermunker · 25/09/2006 22:43

Oh blimey, not stuffed about the electric costs of it, MD. I only ever use it on the rapid bake option anyway - I'm too impatient! I'm tempted to get a wind-powered electricity motor and attach it to my gob - I talk enough guff to power it

Seriously, I'm all for decent food, but I can't can't can't face kneading and rising and knocking back and buggering about

So I'm probably not fit either, Dino. Don't be It's worth it - I promise. Tastes much nicer.

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velcrobott · 25/09/2006 22:46

Hunker - LOL about your gob!!!
I bake it at night and am on cheap night energy... so costs wise it's very competitive....
Dino - I can't quite believe that since I bought the machine -last Christmas - I don't think I have bought more than 10 breads (and from the local market... so it's super yummy sour dough bread anyway). It's that easy!!!!

Carmenere · 25/09/2006 22:48

Soda bread is the way forward. Mix all the dry ingredients, add the wet ingredients, mix barely and throw into the oven, 45 minutes later voila, bread