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Think you have a wheat allergy/intolerance? Read this. Want to come and trot out some food-related excuses? Read this...

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hunkermunker · 25/09/2006 21:26

This article should be read by anyone who eats shop-bought bread.

To quote:

"But most troubling of all, recent research suggests that one enzyme, transglutaminase, used in food manufacturing and baking, may actually turn some of the gliadin protein in wheat flour into a form that can be toxic to some people. Even the organic loaves made by the industrial bakers can contain this stuff."

I know how we all love a food thread(!), but I have been pondering the "everything in moderation" line a lot today.

Whilst I believe this is true, to a certain extent (a bit of decent chocolate won't hurt), I really, really believe that if we just allow our food producers to put ever-increasing amounts of weird non-food ingredients into our food we will see ever-increasing behavioural and health-related problems in the general population.

It is precisely the "turn-a-blind-eye" parents who don't really seem to give a toss what their children eat (and I'm so not talking about mums of SN children, so please don't bang that drum on this thread, I beseech you!) - they just pull out the "everything in moderation" line and cheerfully continue giving artificial sweeteners, trans-fat laden, GM enzyme processed stuff to their children and eating it themselves who perpetuate the cycle of this food being produced.

Until we stop buying this crap, food manufacturers will continue to churn out cheap, chemical shit (in the sense of "not found in your average store cupboard" as I know all things are chemicals - heavens, but I'm covering my bases here, aren't I?!).

And, if I may mention food miles here (since it's a bit of a mixture thread - wtf are apples from Australia doing at my local Sainsburys? Honestly, we grub up orchards in this country to fly in apples from the other side of the world, a world which seems to have gone stark-staring bonkers.

Aye thenk yow.

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hovely · 26/09/2006 09:57

carmenere, carmenere
what is buttermilk?
is there a good substitute if you haven't got any?

pupuce · 26/09/2006 09:59

You can make buttermilk by adding lemon to milk, it's basically sour milk and it is readily available in supermarkets next to creams.
I'm sure if you google it they will tell you milk/lemon ratio.

hovely · 26/09/2006 10:06

thanks pupuce
after I stopped being so lazy I did find this

CountessDracula · 26/09/2006 10:36

moondog I buy that poilane bread sometimes it is divine I agree, they sell it in Waitrose

aviatrix · 26/09/2006 10:44

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Ellbell · 26/09/2006 11:42

Thanks. Will report back on Raeburn bread. (Just need it to get a bit colder so I need to turn it on. This is the first year that I've been excited about winter coming!)

Pruni · 27/09/2006 08:04

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CantSleepWontSleep · 27/09/2006 08:25

'If dough is not allowed to ferment for several hours, there is little chance for natural bacteria to destroy harmful elements in the dough and to make important nutrients available to the human body.'

How does this work with a breadmaker then? Does the stuff ferment in there, or is this point being overlooked?

KathyMCMLXXII · 27/09/2006 10:22

Yes it does ferment in there, Cantsleep, though maybe we should be using the longer settings rather than the rapidbake ones [rolls eyes] - on my machine they range from 1 hr 20 for the fastest white rapidbake to 4 30 for the longest wholemeal.

I know everyone here is saying Panasonic is the only way to go but I've had my Morphy Richards since Jan 02, used it on average twice a week, and I think it's fab.

Tatties · 27/09/2006 10:50

Thanks for that link Hunker. Dp and I were just discussing buying a breadmaker the other day. You've made my mind up

aviatrix · 27/09/2006 11:49

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CantSleepWontSleep · 27/09/2006 12:48

Thanks Kathy. Might put a breadmaker on my Christmas list then. Parents will be pleased - they never know what to get me!

Now I just need a kitchen extension to be able to house another gadget .

intergalacticwalrus · 27/09/2006 12:50

Breadmakers are the bollocks. You can't beat the lovelt fresh bread smell when you come downstairs in the morning. Yum!

Enid · 27/09/2006 12:52

"About 15 years ago, people started asking me to make bread without wheat, yeast or gluten. Shop bread made them feel 'bloated' or worse. Irritable bowel syndrome, candidiasis and Crohn's disease all entered common parlance. Coeliac disease now affects one in a 100 people, other wheat intolerances probably more. How did we get here? "

cos people love the idea of having a food intolerance and it became massively fashionable

bundle · 27/09/2006 12:54

spot on enid.

I did a at the man who got a soya latte this morning....

Enid · 27/09/2006 12:55

I have a special cross between a sigh, a tut and a quiet growl that I use in those circumstances

CountessDracula · 27/09/2006 12:58

carmenere I was going to make some of that soda bread with dd yesterday but blimming waitrose don't have ANY wholemeal self raising flour how shite is that?

I whinged in a bossy way to the manager.

Enid · 27/09/2006 12:59

add a teaspoon of baking powder to 125g plain wholemeal

CantSleepWontSleep · 27/09/2006 13:02

bundle - don't you think it odd that someone would order a soya latte if they didn't need to for some reason - Starbucks do charge 30p extra for the privilege! Only know this as I have to have soya lattes at the moment because breastfed DD is milk intolerant. Would you tut at me too ?

bundle · 27/09/2006 13:04

CantSleepWontSleep

I wasn't the one tutting

but in answer to your question: no, I do not think that Mr Soya Latte was intolerant/allergic to anything. enid is right: tis trendy and more fool him for paying the extra.

Enid · 27/09/2006 13:05

he ordered a soya latte becauess he is following trendy faddy eating plan so that he can make himself feel better about going out most nights and drinking loads and doing coke

Bozza · 27/09/2006 13:14

All those of you who put your breadmaker on the timer overnight where do you have it? Doesn't it wake you up? DH was not happy at being woken at 4.30 am to the sound of electronic kneading and not even mollified by the prospect of fresh bread for breakfast.

Gem13 · 27/09/2006 13:26

Before DH sees this thread and makes me buy a breadmaker - presumably when we are discussing junk in bread we mean the packaged sliced kind not the pick-it-up-off-the-shelf-in-Waitrose kind. Am presuming Waitrose wouldn't poison us?

CantSleepWontSleep · 27/09/2006 14:05

Oh so I'm trendy by default and didn't even know it. Great, I've never been trendy before .

PrettyCandles · 27/09/2006 14:17

I knew a guy once who was some sort of Bakery Manager at one of the big bakeries (Hovis? can't remember), and he never ate 'his' bread, but made his own at home. His comment on conventional bread manufacture was "the art of making water stand up".

We make our own bread (Panasonic of course), but the trouble is, I don't actually care for the taste of it. Far prefer either hand-made bread made with live yeast, or even shop-bought bread.