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Think you have a wheat allergy/intolerance? Read this. Want to come and trot out some food-related excuses? Read this...

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hunkermunker · 25/09/2006 21:26

This article should be read by anyone who eats shop-bought bread.

To quote:

"But most troubling of all, recent research suggests that one enzyme, transglutaminase, used in food manufacturing and baking, may actually turn some of the gliadin protein in wheat flour into a form that can be toxic to some people. Even the organic loaves made by the industrial bakers can contain this stuff."

I know how we all love a food thread(!), but I have been pondering the "everything in moderation" line a lot today.

Whilst I believe this is true, to a certain extent (a bit of decent chocolate won't hurt), I really, really believe that if we just allow our food producers to put ever-increasing amounts of weird non-food ingredients into our food we will see ever-increasing behavioural and health-related problems in the general population.

It is precisely the "turn-a-blind-eye" parents who don't really seem to give a toss what their children eat (and I'm so not talking about mums of SN children, so please don't bang that drum on this thread, I beseech you!) - they just pull out the "everything in moderation" line and cheerfully continue giving artificial sweeteners, trans-fat laden, GM enzyme processed stuff to their children and eating it themselves who perpetuate the cycle of this food being produced.

Until we stop buying this crap, food manufacturers will continue to churn out cheap, chemical shit (in the sense of "not found in your average store cupboard" as I know all things are chemicals - heavens, but I'm covering my bases here, aren't I?!).

And, if I may mention food miles here (since it's a bit of a mixture thread - wtf are apples from Australia doing at my local Sainsburys? Honestly, we grub up orchards in this country to fly in apples from the other side of the world, a world which seems to have gone stark-staring bonkers.

Aye thenk yow.

OP posts:
Gillian76 · 25/09/2006 23:15

Can we have a recipe for soda bread, carmenere?

Also don't you need sugar in bread to 'feed' the yeast?

Am just about to go and fire up the breadmaker.

velcrobott · 25/09/2006 23:15

It's a very old wheat grain from Egypt

velcrobott · 25/09/2006 23:15

Gillian I never ever put sugar in my bread and it always turns out fine!

moondog · 25/09/2006 23:16

When I was a kid,you could get fresh yeast anywhere.
Hard to find now (although oddlY enough,bAKERS IN SUPermarkets have given me it for free.)

velcrobott · 25/09/2006 23:18

You can buy fresh yeast at bakers in supermaket -I use to pay 11p for 50grs...

Moondog : Kamut® is a registered trademark of Kamut International, Ltd., used in marketing products made with a remarkable grain. The new cereal is an ancient relative of modern durum wheat, two to three times the size of common wheat with 20?40% more protein, higher in lipids, amino acids, vitamins and minerals, and a "sweet" alternative for all products that now use common wheat (Fig. 1). Nutritionally superior, it can be substituted for common wheat with great success. Kamut brand wheat has a rich, buttery flavor, and is easily digested. A hard amber spring type wheat with a huge humped back kernel, this grain is "untouched" by modern plant breeding programs which appear to have sacrificed flavor and nutrition for higher yields dependent upon large amounts of synthetic agricultural inputs.

welliemum · 25/09/2006 23:20

Wow, velcrobott, thank you! Will definitely look at the bakery next time I'm in town!

Just looked at a link from that page....

Anyone keen to mill their own flour??

welliemum ups the ante

Carmenere · 25/09/2006 23:21

I make it just by habit but this is a fairly basic easy one.

hunkermunker · 25/09/2006 23:22

Hello, btw, Carmenere!

OP posts:
Gillian76 · 25/09/2006 23:22

I knew there was a reason I didn't make it. DD is allergic to milk.

CountessDracula · 25/09/2006 23:23

so does this mean that the fact that I buy organic, stoneground bread is good?

moondog · 25/09/2006 23:24

I was very keen on rye bread when we lived in Russia.
Turkish unleavened bread (fresh from wood oven ) is heavenly.
It is a battle of wills every day between my Id and Ego (or is it Superego) not to lie face down in the breadbasket and grunt.

moondog · 25/09/2006 23:25

YEs CD

Carmenere · 25/09/2006 23:26

Hiya Hunker

velcrobott · 25/09/2006 23:26

Sounds like it CD... feel better
Wellie- I can't beat that I think

CountessDracula · 25/09/2006 23:27

phew

Am getting a breadmaker soon too I think

Joolstoo · 25/09/2006 23:28

we've got a breadmaker but Burgen with soya and linseed is larverly

velcrobott · 25/09/2006 23:28

Wellie what about buying the organic seeds to plant and use with your machine

moondog · 25/09/2006 23:30

People expect bread to be really really cheap.
They baulk at paying more than a few pence for it.

Has anyone had one of those Poilane loaves? I'd love to try it.

Carmenere · 25/09/2006 23:30

I have to admit to a weakness for this fellow, very handsome and an expert bread makerI have one of his books and it is fab.

Carmenere · 25/09/2006 23:31

Poilane is to die for, absolutely delicious and almost worth the price, truly yum.

welliemum · 25/09/2006 23:31

I need to point out now that I have a toddler and a 3 month old and hurling ingredients in the breadmaker is about as much as I can cope with right now... and no doubt for some time to come.... sigh.

But I can dream! (I know, I know, I need to get out more)

moondog · 25/09/2006 23:32

lol C.
Great name eh?

velcrobott · 25/09/2006 23:33

As far as I know bread is one of those foods supermarkets sell at a loss as most people know the price of a loaf of bread and it is one way of fighting between supermarrkets (on breads, butter, milk and I'm sure a few other things!).

Ellbell · 25/09/2006 23:57

Hello all... popped back to this thread. Thanks for pasting in the link, hm .

I have started making my bread with a mixture of white flour and rye flour. It is yummy.

Oh, and I have the Panasonic too. I had a Morphy Richards one but I wore it out with daily use in under a year (and then I completely buggered it by forgetting to put yeast in one day and backing a brick in the bottom of the pan). The Panasonic seems much better. I have a loaf in there as we speak. I work full-time and don't have a lot of time, but it is soooooo easy. Just bung everything in and go and forget about it till you smell lovely fresh bread.

Will try your soda bread recipe one of these days, Carmenere. (Wonder if you can do it in Raeburn? Have just moved to house with Raeburn - though we haven't yet fired it up - and am looking forward to cooking in it.)

moondog · 26/09/2006 08:56

Ell,RAEBURN BREAD SHOULD B WONDERFUL.
i COOKED LOTS OF IT IN THE aga IN MY OLD HOUSE.