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Miffed, angry...more than a little peeved - child unfriendly work policy

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handlemecarefully · 10/03/2004 21:08

The hospital where I work is hard pressed for parking. So from 1st May they are implementing a blanket policy whereby all staff will be barred from parking on site for one day a week. On the day they can't park on site they are expected to use a park and ride (i.e. drive to outskirts of the city in question and then take the mini bus from there to work).

I don't particularly have a problem with this in principle, but - we have an on site day nursery for staff.....and staff users of that on site day nursery (i.e. includes me)are not granted an exemption. So effectively what they are asking me (and others) to do is drive to the outskirts of the city and then take our children (in my case when I return from mat leave in October a 6 month old baby and a just turned 2 year old)on the bus a couple of miles to the Hospital where we can plonk them in the on site Nursery and then start work. Well, I can't be fitting a 1st stage and 2nd stage car seat on the frigging bus morning and evening (and then refitting it in my car to do the final leg home)...its totally impractical..and I really don't think the rest of the workers on the bus will be too patient waiting whilst I spend 20 minutes faffing around with car seats. Heaven only knows where I am to stow the car seats when I get to work too, and how I am to carry 2 children plus 2 car seats from the bus to the entrance of the Day Nursery on arrival. I think there is a good case for staff users of the on site Day Nursery to be exempt from this policy.

When this issue was raised with our staff side representative ( a woman but a childless woman) she "Didn't see the issue"....Apparently she has seen "Lots of women using the number 10 bus with their tiny tots without using car seats". Now that really got my %$£"! blood boiling....I don't care what some other mums do - if they want to (sorry if I offend) risk their children that's up to them, but the hospital can't require me to risk my children (that's a very personal choice) and I would no more take them on a bus where I can't secure them in a proper car seat than fly to the frigging moon. Infant car seats aren't for merely decorative value or a fashion accessory - there to save lives aren't they???

What do you think of this? - and do any of you have any accident statistics I can quote about infant morbidity and mortality pre the introduction of child car seats?

(And if you happen to agree with the hospital and don't think on site nursery users should be granted an exemption, could you put it tactfully...because I am pregnant and hormonal at the moment and my bp needs to be kept stable)

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handlemecarefully · 10/03/2004 21:09

Wow I sound really ranty in that post don't I....

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CountessDracula · 10/03/2004 21:13

hmc I have never seen anyone use a carseat on a bus! Does it happen? What do people without cars do?

KatieMac · 10/03/2004 21:17

Dare I mention that lots of buses (& coaches) don't have 3point seat belts - they may have lap belts or nothing!!!

handlemecarefully · 10/03/2004 21:20

CountessD,

If I didn't have a car, I still wouldn't use a bus

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Levanna · 10/03/2004 21:23

Hi hmc, that's outrageous! I wouldn't take DD on any form of transport without a carseat, addmitedly I've got the luxury of having a car, and I know many people haven't - if I didn't my attitudes would undoubtedly 'have' to change a bit! But, it's MY choice! I think you are absolutely right in what you say, they have no right to force you to risk your children for their convenience. If I were you (being also pregnant and hormonal!) I'd demand that they provide a childminder to meet me at the bus to look after the children while I sorted out the carseat scenario, then demand that a courier meet me at work to carry said carseats into the building, then they'd have to appoint a minder to watch over them all day, and the same for the return journey! Sorry to be of no use whatsoever, I don't have any statistics to hand, but I'm sure you've got a case......

CountessDracula · 10/03/2004 21:24

Oh come on you lot. London buses don't have seat belts, can't believe any others do. I sometimes take a bus and leave dd in her buggy. What about that?

KatieMac · 10/03/2004 21:25

I'm a bit non confrontational so I would probably park the car as close as I could and get a taxi to the door ( and try to time it so I'm always arriving with the woman in charge and consistantly ask her for help with the car seats)

miggy · 10/03/2004 21:27

HMC-stupid and thoughtless, you probably have loads of baby stuff to lug about as well. Our local hospital has just implemented same policy-except no park and ride-and staff have written to local householders asking if they could park their cars on their drives during the day. Lots of people have agreed, esp if they are at work themselves all day. Would this be a possibility? You shouldnt have to I know but....

CountessDracula · 10/03/2004 21:31

hmc how would you get around then? I find this v odd all this car stuff. What is wrong with some public transport? I have a car but choose to use pt instead if it is suitable. A park and ride sounds suitable to me. It isn't your god given right to drive everywhere.

CountessDracula · 10/03/2004 21:32
Levanna · 10/03/2004 21:33

That's exactly it CountessDracula - personal choice, right?

Jimjams · 10/03/2004 21:34

agree that this is badly thought out. NO way could I get on a bus with ds1 and ds2. But also agree with cd-how caould you use a car seat on a bus? there aren't any seatbelts?? A lot of the buses round here now are mobility buses - the floor lowers and you can just push the buggy on.

CountessDracula · 10/03/2004 21:35

Personal choice when possible. Not always possible as this demonstrates!

Levanna · 10/03/2004 21:35

Ooops, sorry, posts crossed.....but, I would have thought that even if it isn't our god (or whatever) given right to drive everywhere, it's still got to be our god (as above!) right to protect our children as we see fit?

handlemecarefully · 10/03/2004 21:38

CountessD

It's not my god given right to drive, but its my god given right to exercise choice about what risks I decide to put my children under, and the hospital is forcing me to something that I completely oppose and put my children at what I consider to be unacceptable risk.

Its your perogative to take your child in a buggy on the bus - personally I wouldn't risk this - but that's up to you. I think you need to acknowledge that I should not be forced to do something that I consider is an unnacceptable risk to my children and should respect this as much as I respect your right to use public transport where you child isn't - IMO - properly strapped in.

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Jimjams · 10/03/2004 21:38

I do suspect that more children are killed in cars (in car seats) than is buses...... Agree that this is a pain, but hospital parking is often a nightmare as well. Not sure what the answer is.

CountessDracula · 10/03/2004 21:39

So keep them in the buggy and keep a hand on it. All buses have standing areas now don't they? I do think people are too reliant on cars - ok if you live in the middle of nowhere you need one but if a park and ride is provided I don't see the problem.

HMC have just seen your last para, sorry

CountessDracula · 10/03/2004 21:40

hmc posts crossed.

So what is your solution?
Also why is a buggy not suitable restraint?

emsiewill · 10/03/2004 21:41

I have never seen anyone use a car seat on a bus, and if you don't mind me saying , you come across as someone who has a bit of a "thing" about public transport, but obviously never uses it.

BUT despite this, I can see that it will be more difficult to go on the bus with 2 small children, and I can understand why you're not happy with the - totally unsympathetic - response you have had.

eddm · 10/03/2004 21:44

I'm with CD. I've taken my ds everywhere on the bus, in his buggy, since he was a couple of weeks old. And I've never seen a bus with seatbelts. Admittedly taking two kids on the bus will involve more faffing around but is only one day a week... although if I were you I'd watch the chief exec very carefully to see if he/she mucks in. And if they don't, raise merry hell! What about patients? Are women in labour going to have somewhere to park?

Jimjams · 10/03/2004 21:46

levanna's been sympathetic- and i can certainly see that it is a pain, but I think its a tricky area. lots of people do have to use public transport. I'd find out which type of buses they are first. They may well be the ones you can roll buggys onto in which case they're easy (well easyish). And really I'm sure a baby in a buggy in a bus is probably safer than a baby in a car. If they're crappy small ones then its different, as its hard to get on and off. I certainly couldn't use public transport with my 2 (can with either one, but not both) but then that's one of the many reasons why I can't work.

handlemecarefully · 10/03/2004 21:46

Well, its likely to be a minibus, so probably won't be room for a double buggy...and my thinking re buggy's not being suitable restraints is that in a collision, they are not properly 'anchored' to anything and could be flung around the bus in an uncontrolled manner presenting a risk to the children in them and other passengers....(am not sure that even if I had a restraining hand on the buggy that this would be sufficient to 'anchor' it and stop it from careering around the bus in a crash situation).But I could be talking complete and utter tosh on this - it would be interesting to see if anyone knows what crash statistics say about buggy's as an alternative to car seats.

My solution to this specific issue is that on site Day Nursery users should be exempted from this policy due to their access needs for the Day Nursery.

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handlemecarefully · 10/03/2004 21:48

Emsiewill,

I honestly don't have a thing about public transport. And if was just me required to use the park and ride 'sans' children I wouldn't mind one tiny bit

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CountessDracula · 10/03/2004 21:48

I took dd (18 months) and two other kids (2.5 and 8) on the bus a few weeks ago and it was fine. Left dd in her buggy in the aisle, put the other 2 inside me ie I was on the aisle and they all had a lovely time.

Jimjams · 10/03/2004 21:57

you're not going to find crash statistics though as buses don't have seat belts. If I was you and I had to use the bus then I think I would put a baby in a sling and the elder on the seat next to me. When ds2 was tiny (and so I had spare hands to control ds1) I did that a couple of times and it worked fine. (ds1 was 2 and 10 months ish at the time).

The alternative is just to use a taxi those days- or see if you can car share (may be hard with 2 kiddies to transport though).