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I read today that Jordan thinks that "if you get that drunk that you cant say NO......

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 07/07/2006 23:40

then you shouldnt drink. This is in reference to women who are "attacked" by men.

Also that if you go out dressed in a manner that makes you "look easy", you have "probably got to be able to stand up for yourself as well".

She wasnt particularly high in my estimation before.

She is certainly rock bottom now.

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2shoes · 08/07/2006 00:01

jordan is hardly brain of britain but may be she was misqu=oted, I read new(cos I like reding fiction)didn't read this bit though

chopsolata · 08/07/2006 00:04

oh i cant be bothered, carry on without me

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 08/07/2006 00:07

Its a transcript of a conversation. I cant see how its been misquoted.

Check it out - issue 171 July 10 2006.

She is talking about it because it references to something she wrote in her new "novel" where her lead character is "attacked".

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hunkermunker · 08/07/2006 00:08

Oh fucking hell, Jordan's written a novel?

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 08/07/2006 00:10

oh yes. Its called "Angel".....cant wait not to read it.

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iamapieceofcheesecake · 08/07/2006 00:10

Apparently so, but can she comment on something like this?

Greensleeves · 08/07/2006 00:11

Christ on a bike.

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 08/07/2006 00:12

When asked she said "Never".

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iamapieceofcheesecake · 08/07/2006 00:12

Thanks Greensleeves, nearly choked on me egg and bacon sarnie pmsl!

2shoes · 08/07/2006 09:30

i read the aticle in new last night and have to say that she was talking about hereself not so much women in general. she said that when she went out she looked "easy" which could make her vunerable if attacked so better if she didn't drink.
she is always slated whatever she does. But I applaud her as she has made a lot of money out of not much talent.

moondog · 08/07/2006 09:35

I have no opinion of Jordan either way (is she one of those glamour model types??)but do think that women do themselves a disservice by dressing like whores and drinking themselves senseless.
Having done both in my feckless past,I am not in retrospect very surprised at the fact that on occasion i wasn't treated with great respect and sensitivity by chaps.

oxocube · 08/07/2006 10:23

2shoes, now that is completely different to the message the original poster gave. To be honest, I'm not at all interested in Jordan or her life, but I suppose if she is talking about herself and the impression she gives, hence not drinking, that implies a certain self-awareness and common sense. She is going to be slated whatever she says or does.

ScoobyDooooo · 08/07/2006 10:27

I am sorry but if you believe this when it was written in the "new" magazine then you believe anything, there mag is total crap waist of money, if you read jordans exclusive interviews she actually says she does not speak to any other magazine aart from OK because the rest make up fake bullshit stories, Believeing the "new" magazine is like believeing everything the SUN says fgs.

2shoes · 08/07/2006 15:17

as I said I like reading "fiction"
but who says ok are telling the truth not new
i think they all twist the truth

Blandmum · 08/07/2006 15:22

So, here is a woman who makes her living by portraying women as sex objects, and she is now moralising about how women should dress and act????

She is setting utterly unrealistic images for how young women should look....with surgicaly enhanced tits and regularly gets it out for the lads. smashing role model....very positive

Hypocrite or idiot. Take your pick

Northerner · 08/07/2006 15:27

'If you get drunk and you can't say no you shouldn't drink' - well she does have apoint there. We really shouldn't put ourselves at risk or in a difficult situation, if you have all your faculties about you it is much easier to keep your self safe isn't it?

And yes, if you go out dressed as though you are 'easy' you do need to stand up for yourself as you are bound to gte lots of lecherous men cracking onto you, shouting obscenities and stuff.

Jordan is a gal who can stand up for herself.

Maybe she was trying to advuse girls not to get shif=tfaced srunk and to keep safe?

Blandmum · 08/07/2006 15:30

if she can. then good for her.

However she is 'promoting' a style to young women, many of whom may not be as strong as she is.

Endless pressure is put on young women to look and dress in particular ways, it becomes accepted as a normal look by both men and women.

She is hellping to promote the very thing she now argues against!

Northerner · 08/07/2006 15:31

How is she arguing against it?

Blandmum · 08/07/2006 15:36

She is saying that women who dress in a particular way 'look easy' and increase their chances of getting attacked.

So she promotes a style and hen says, if you dress like this you've got it coming. What a silly woman.

Getting your tits out is OK to get rick, but when some 'less strong' woman does something similar she had better be 'stong'

Utter arse.

Poeple like Jordan help to perpetuate the myth of the ever ready tart. Dress like her are you are bound to be up for it? Total bollocks.

Elf1981 · 08/07/2006 15:40

I think she does have a good valid point.
Young girls and young boys who go out and get bladdered to the point they cant walk, in some cases it all works out, in some cases it ends with things going too far, I'm not just talking about people being attacked sexually, I'm talking about accidents and violence in general.

People should realise their limitations and quit two drinks before that.

It's a no win situation though. I was talking to my mum the other day about this. Somebody had commented that if the woman is too drunk and says yes then no that the bloke should not be charged with rape. My mum said that she could sort of see the point and put it to me that if I had a son, would I want him to be convicted of rape because a girl was too drunk / changed her mind.
I had to point out that no, I wouldn't, but in the same respect, I wouldn't want my girl to be the one who had changed her mind and felt violated afterwards.

So my only logical options now is to teach my daughter (and son if I have one) that they need to learn their limitations and not get themselves into those situations.

SoupDragon · 08/07/2006 15:43

"if you get that drunk that you can't say no then you shouldn't drink"

Actually, I'd agree with this. It's not the same as saying "if you get that drunk that you cant say no it serves you right" which is an utterly abhorrant point of view.

Also, if you go out dressed in such a way as to look "easy" as she terms it then yes, you also should be able to stand up for yourself. Which again, isn't the same as saying that if you go out dressed like that you deserve to be attacked.

expatinscotland · 08/07/2006 15:46

i agree w/SD and w/her comments. As a mature human being, I have to accept some personal responsibility for my own safety and health. You can't continually bitch about the 'nanny state' when you're not willing to protect YOURSELF to some extent as much as possible, which includes your brain and some common sense.

Northerner · 08/07/2006 15:47

Well I interperate her in a different way. I read it as her advising girls to be careful not to drink too much so you are always in control of the situation, and that 'some' clothes' make you look easy so only dress like that if you can handle the aftermath.

Don't for one miniute think she means that girls have it coming to them if they dress tarty. She's not stupid and she has a younger sister.

Jordan has made a lot of money in a certain way that some women feel appalled at. I think she's hard working, clever and would stand up for women any where and their right to wear what they want safely However, she is streetwise enough to know we don't live in an ideal world and is simply using her experience to advise others.

flutterbee · 08/07/2006 15:48

I agree with you soupdragon, unfortunately people on this thread have reacted in the way the editors of red top newspapers do and have totally sensationalised what had been said. Reda it properly and you will see for once the woman is making sense.

Blandmum · 08/07/2006 15:55

I do feel that you do need to take personal resonsibility, but if you screw up you don't 'deserve' what you get.

She promotes dressing in a tarty way and then admits that dressing like this will increase the chance that you will get attacked. Great.

Why not promote then? Oh, that would mean a loss in cash.

I have a personal responsibility not to put myself in a dangerous situation. And she has personal responsibility for the image she promotes.