working from home

[jenny2998]

I'm currently on benefits because i want to be a stay at home mum to my children (aged 10 months and 3years). So far I have been unsuccessful and just come up with loads of scams and rip-offs. Does anyone here work from home? I would be grateful for any info anyone can give me.

seconds away round 3

If you recruit 2 people, A and B, and A recruits C & D and B recruits E & F, do you get paid royalities on C D E and F as well as A and B? If so, you have double earning potential of either A or B and a lot more potential than poor old Z recruited by Y. Maybe it doesn't work like that though.

Maybe I'm too stupid to follow this but I still have a basic problem with the arithmetic.
You said 2002's turnover was a million pounds, and half that goes to distributors , ie £500,000.
You also said one guy gets 60k a month, or £720,ooo a year. That means that one guy is earning more than the company pays out in a year, and then there's all the others you mentioned earning 15K a month/180K a year. The figures make no sense at all.
Please explain.
Incidentallly munchkinsugarpie I remember your posts about living in a one room flat with your boyfriend and baby and really struggling for cash ( unless I am mixing you up with someone else) so I am really pleased you have found a way out of this and I hope you go on to greater financial success.
Might even join you as I am fed up with the NHS

okay stop it now! my head hurts!!! and I used to like maths before I tried to read thru this stuff!

Guess what plopped through my letterbox yesterday (Sunday, I ask you?)? Luckily, it fell just next to the bag for recycling paper.

tiredtiger - (great name!) you've sorta got it right... you only earn royalties on your team's business if they're earning as well... and yes, it does mean that you earn more than those newly recruited, i.e., my sponsor earns approx. 3,500 per month, (more than I do...) but I still have the capacity to earn more than he does. It's up to the individuals.

If I build the business at a faster rate and keep adding new distributorships to my team at a more intense rate than he now does, then I can quite easily overtake his earnings. There are lots of those situations.

We all start at 'Z' - I did a year ago, and so did the guys earning the big salaries...if you keep adding depth to your business then everyone else moves up. I often place new people in to my team's businesses. This boosts them up, gives them responsibility to help look after the fledgeling business and if the new guys succeed - we all benefit.

ks - hiya - welcome to the great network marketing debate! It's taken on a life of its own.....

The greater part of your income most definitely comes from helping others to build up their businesses - because once they're established, you get royalties for 'ever more' according to the size of their turnover. You can even leave these businesses to your kids. There are, however, many people who just do the catalogue side - some at a staggering rate of about 1000 catalogues a week (full time!) They earn a good 1300 pounds plus per month, but if they actually don't do the work, then they don't earn the money. If I do all the hard teamwork now, then say 5 yrs down the line, I will be able to receive an income and not have to work the business much at all. That's what we're aiming to do.

Jasper - blimey, youve got a good memory! You're right. That was me.. but we've now had a new bedroom, hallway and new kitchen and bathroom put in. Things are obviously a lot easier now, and yes, due to Kleeneze! Maybe that's why I sound like a green goblin about it! (Or was that THE green goblin, www?!)

Now, you know that finance stuff is confusing me to, to be honest. I know that a) the salaries earnt are genuine and b) that Kleeneze pay their distributorships more generously than other network marketing companies, but I'm really not sure how it works. So! There's a local business opportunity meeting I'm going to tomorrow night - Tuesday - and I fully intend to ask someone to explain it on paper to me... I'll do my best to explain in back to u. The guy I previously mentioned who started in his late 50's and now drives a roller runs this one so I'll make sure I ask him.....!I hate Maths!

who actually MAKES this stuff? is it fairtraded??!

Yes, but Person Z has far less opportunity to recruit team members as persons A-Y can not be recruited again.

One point about photocopied cheques is that you can never know for certain that they are genuine. I could write you a cheque for £1,000,000 right now but it would never be honoured. I'm not saying that your success stories are not true though, just that a copy of a cheque isn't really proof. Now, a lift in the ferrari owned by Mr A from my example? That would be enough proof for me.

(I prefer the name SoupDragon to TiredTiger although I am seriously tired at the moment...)

Good luck with your tuesday evening meeting, munchie, I hope the way the kleeneze company, and all its distributors profit becomes clear on paper. How exciting

Hi all... Batters, before I start, no of course I didn't set out to use this as a recruiting tool... I'd hardly be breaking barriers if I was. I just got excited one night (if u look back at the first post on this thread from me this year) and wanted to rave a bit... and I got up everybody's noses during the process.... the debate has raged on since then and it's gone on far longer than I'm sure any of us thought it would... specially me. You can probably guess that I enjoy talking about it though...

I've got more chance of meeting the Pope at the bottom of the street, than persuading anyone here of the benefits of the Kleeneze plan! So no, I haven't posted a lot on the other sites lately, I've been too busy, but this subject is obviously interesting me most at the mo.

Tigermoth and Jasper - I totally misread my own writing.... the company turned over 100 million last year, not 1m. ( I should have known, the Xmas catalogue did 12m alone) , so that's why there is plenty to go around.. I told you I stunk at Maths...

Soupdragon - you're right actually.. the photocopied cheque could be faked. I thought the same, however, I have had a ride in Bob Webb's porsche boxter (given to him as a gift for reaching the highest point of the plan - yers away for me I'm afraid). He used to be a teacher - now he's a flash git! Mind you he is the top distributor in UK. Also, there's loads of photographic evidence of changed lifestyles, i.e., houses, holidays, cars etc. from other people enough to support the facts. I've even seen bank statements from people. That's when I began to be convinced.

As for the saturation theory of recruiting people, it's not as hard as you think. When you think of how many people there are in the UK, millions of us, only 17,000 distributors are registered throughout UK, Scotland and Sthn Ireland..... we've hardly scratched the surface! and going into Europe in 2004, with the ease of the internet, is mind boggling. I truly believe there are enough A - Y persons out there for us all.

Just out of interest, somebody decided to join my team tonight after the Opportunity Meeting and this is how easy it was. On my birthday, I left a few business cards in a Thai restaurant I was in. I got a call from this guy who wanted an info pack, so I sent him one. Turns out his wife is a waitress in the restaurant and while he was sitting in the pub bit waiting to pick her up, he picked up one of my cards! No sales pitch there then - the business plan sells itself... and that's how the majority of people get involved!

What's the average length of time someone spends in the business?

to be honest i haven't look at the brochure for ages but all i can remember is lots of cleaning equipment, if you did so much more at christmas, does that mean it was a case of "merry christmas, here is you fridge cleaning solution".
i must say in the guy wasn't so rude i might of looked in the future, he smoked and his books, bits i ordered smelt of smoke, i also though it was rude that he was smoking a fag when he came to my door. Do they have any policies for these guys for when dealing with customers.

DS2 was crying all night so I'm more tired than soupy

Yes, there are millions of us in the UK. You need to rule out those under (say) 18, the landed gentry, pop stars and a vast chink of the higher tax ratepayers, those too old, ill or infirm, those in prison and those who don't want to and you've reduced your target market quite a lot. Is there not some sort of statistic that you only need a group of 7 people to find 2 with a mutual aquaintance? Theoretically, if you've got 7 people in your team you've already poached one of my possiblilities (yes, I know you can 'prove' anything with statistics and it's pretty meaningless really)

As for the Boxter, I've been trying to persuade DH that's the ideal 2nd car for a family of 4 when his old Laguna gives up the ghost. I don't think it's working.