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This article about sex really depressed me

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Caligula · 15/04/2006 14:43

\link{http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1753327,00.html\here}

And made me think we need a new dose of feminist conscious-raising. I'm aghast to think my DD will grow up in a world where she's expected to do this mechanical sex and wax her pubes and be treated like a whore as a normal dating experience.

Come back Mary Whitehouse, all is forgiven

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Pruni · 15/04/2006 22:24

Caligula I think MT was replying to an earlier post? (Hope so otherwise I just look daft.)

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Caligula · 15/04/2006 22:25

And just to clarify - by your own "intimate perfume" do they mean what I think they mean?

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Socci · 15/04/2006 22:28

I personally haven't come across porn by accident - I only see the things I want to iyswim.

monkeytrousers · 15/04/2006 22:31

yes, 9.53 post Smile

Pruni · 15/04/2006 22:32

Caligula, yes.
Well, even if they didn't, that's what she did...

monkeytrousers · 15/04/2006 22:37

Winnie, I don’t think teenage girls do feel empowered – they feel they know how to fool people into believing they’re empowered. And as I said before because men don’t have such a complicated response to porn, they think ‘great’ more for me. Women do not experience sex physically the same way men do – but saying that they don’t often need to have orgasm to enjoy sex. The intimacy is a huge part of it. But again women and men, like you say are bombarded with these images on the high street, in bus stops, telephone boxes, there is literally no escape.

Socci, if you don’t pay for a firewall you’re going to get inundated with porn spam, whoever and whatever age you are. The only proviso is that you have an email account. Gonzo (extreme) porn is where the trend for anal sex comes from. Because it hurts – that’s the point. I know gay men who don’t practice it because of that.

Music videos are a truly repulsive genre, as is pop music as a whole now. Not only are women hideously represented (and Beyonce colludes with it!) but the whole ‘bling’ thing with black rap ‘artists’ and thei obscene diamonds bought from Sierra Leone at the cost of god knows how many lives. It is really unconscionable.

“porn is something inextricably linked to masculinity” like I said it’s just less complicated for them. And there will always be people who collude in their own oppression. Porn is not female sexual liberation. It’s female sexuality warped to look like male sexuality. We’re undoubtedly different, but there’s far too much focus on the battle of the sexes rather then the co-operation of the sexes, which as we can see by the species success, happens far more often than is reported.

Moondog · 15/04/2006 22:37

Hmmm,some very thought provoking posts raises here.
MT,your thesis sounds great.Can't you post it after you've got your First?? Grin

Trouble is,the definitions of porn and erotica are different for everyone.

Re those ridiculous magazines for blokes,did read this week that they are going into plain covers form now on in WHSmith (I think)
(And didn't Clare Short spend most of the late 80s campaigning against this stuff?)

Being young now seems to be about either watching recordings of crap or being part of a crap recording.Life is virtual,lived through a lens.
Actually,maybe its not even the young.
I find it so bizarre,this obsession with recording everything for posterity....camcorders,mobile phones all this shit.If you are so busy recording births,first steps,first birthday parties and so on,how can you actually ever just enjoy it??
meanwhile life drifts by.

Socci · 15/04/2006 22:39

Really MT? I'm genuinely shocked by that because we've never had any spam of the sort (so I guess we must have a block?)

monkeytrousers · 15/04/2006 22:39

Mooney, I'm going to try and get it published..

Moondog · 15/04/2006 22:43

You go girl!

monkeytrousers · 15/04/2006 22:43

I'm tipsy..

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Caligula · 15/04/2006 22:43

Yeah we can do MN links to it and have rows about it. Great! Grin

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monkeytrousers · 15/04/2006 22:44

Cool! I've never learnt more than what I have from Mumsnet

cataloguequeen · 15/04/2006 22:52

Socci luckily me too!

Does anyone wear/buy play boy/Hustler clothing etc..?

If you don't would you?

monkeytrousers · 15/04/2006 22:56

Do you? Please stop if you do. Everyone boycott it!

spacedonkey · 15/04/2006 23:00

I'll buy your book when it's published mt Grin

cataloguequeen · 15/04/2006 23:02

No I Don't!

It's like you become part of the porn industry a walking advert!!Angry

monkeytrousers · 15/04/2006 23:07

Thanks Spacedonkey - it helps motivate me to get off my arse and write the bloody thing! Pep talks and kicks up the arses always appreciated.

hub2dee · 16/04/2006 12:40

Just a copy and paste of mt's uber-fantastic text:

"Once capitalism co-opted feminism to reach a wider demographic, and in the 90s Loaded magazine took us on the naturalisation and desensitisation process that was the politics of ‘irony’ and even though we may have been at first shocked by the blatant objectification of women in the pages of such magazines, we were then let into the joke, and because it was a joke we had to laugh. And because we laughed it didn’t matter anymore. That laughter cost women their voice, their right to dissent and confused many already struggling with a densely laden rhetoric, not given to casual banter. It was a master stroke from the patriarchal media, who disseminated it everywhere to the point to now where irony is no longer needed and we just have Nuts magazine and girls willingly stripping for their pages in clubs"

.... I trust this is in your thesis, mt ? A fabulous para...

.... now get back to work. Grin

Flossam · 16/04/2006 14:19

Well thinks makes me all the more determined to make my relationship with DP a success - if I end up single again I have to bloody shave??? That has got to be worth at least a row a week not to have to do that surely??? Grin

Can completely relate to the long term relationship = not wanting to be too riske in the bedroom, but actually thought it was more to do, for me at least, with being unable to seperate myself from being a mummy.

monkeytrousers · 16/04/2006 17:43

It is Hub3dee and thank you very much! But I'm not here and I did'nt say a thing Wink

expatinscotland · 16/04/2006 17:45

MT! Angry

Do it today or later you'll pay!

Now back to work!

Wink
Turquoise · 16/04/2006 17:53

I was having a conversation today with someone who was insisting that Jordan is a feminist icon and an inspiration to women, how depressing that that seems to be the general opinion amongst many young girls.
There seems to be the attitude that she is exploiting men more than they are exploiting her and therefore that's a good thing? IMO she is the sanitised tip of a hideous pyramid that goes right down through the levels of abuse and degradation as far as child porn and snuff etc at the very bottom.
The porn/sex angle seems to me to be another area of the instant gratification of every basest need and desire that pervades every area of life, whether it's binge drinking, gorgeing supersized macdonalds, or running up extraordinary levels of debt. It's revolting and so bloody deeply depressing.

Socci · 16/04/2006 18:45

What does Jordan have to do with it though? I thought she seems to have settled down (a bit!) recently. Do you mean when she was a page 3 girl, etc?

Has anyone seen Pink's "Stupid Girls" video on MTV? I thought it was funny.

donnie · 16/04/2006 18:58

agree totally turquoise, very articulate. I haven't read the link but if it's yesterdays Guardian mag then yes I read it and felt incredibly depressed afterwards, as well as physically sick at times.

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