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Drove past my dd walking alongside major road yesterday when she was supposed to be at nursery!

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 12:27

dropped her off at 12.30 an went out to try and sort car out(bumped it earlier in day)..driving back up main road to where i live (nothing around it, just a road/Bridge that go's over the river)and i drove past my daughter with another 8 children and 2 carers from her nursery

my point?..firstly she's full of cold and id requested she not play out in playground today, then, there were 9-10 children all under age of 4 with two adults??i am told that they can take 8 each if they want??!!but how to they keep that many children safe walking along a main road?..it only takes one child to bolt and the others are left with one adult with one pair of hands!
Lastly, when i filled in nursery contracts and it came to the bit about 'outings'..i clearly specified that any outing must be first authorised by myself on each and every occasion.

MY GOD..i am so annoyed, upset and shocked by this..am i totally out of order for feeling like this? is this the norm with most places??

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Berries · 09/02/2006 12:56

At dds school, all trips which involve walking along the road (instead of from coach to place etc) have to have 1 adult for 4 children (juniors, age 7 - 11), infants prefer 1 to 2. I would be worried about the lack of adults, and also about the lack of consultation. Surely if the trip had been planned in advance it would have been mentioned when you dropped her off, particularly as you said you didn't want her outside. I don't think you should complain about her being outside because they could argue that if that was the case she shouldn't have been there.

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 12:56

thing is, training to become a child minder, i understand there are times i will need to go out and obviously take the children with me, but after so many discussions about what i wanted them to do, they went ahead and took her anyway?

oh my god, i cant believe that most people here, find this acceptable?

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 12:56

then go away nitfreecodd!

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nitfreecod · 09/02/2006 12:57

arf
LOok ring them up or dont
dont winge abotu it
what are we supposed to do>

paolosgirl · 09/02/2006 12:57

Agree with other posts - if she is so sick that she needs to be inside, then she should be at home - but equally I wouldn't have been happy at that number of children walking with so few adults beside a busy road.

I'd certainly raise the issue of road safety, but wouldn't expect a nursery to call me if they just wanted to take my child out for a walk - it hardly constitues an outing! Also don't think you have a leg to stand on re the cold - they have to be well enough to attend all activities in nursery and school before you send them.

MamaG · 09/02/2006 12:58

I would be very angry if this happened to me. My DD would not have been safe with that adult:child ratio as I always held her hand at that age - sorry, but I wouldnt have been convinced a rope was enough.

Whatever the reason for the walk, if you have specified that you are to give permission before every outing (which I would do, too) there is no excuse.

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 12:59

my god, nitfreecod, you really dont know when to stop do you..i have spoken to them, i have stressed my unhappiness..however i did not think it an offense to vent on here...i am talking about something that has happend which upset me, not starting a thread cos i am bored and want to stir up a bit of trouble..eh?

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littlemissbossy · 09/02/2006 13:00

littlemissbusybody
well excuse me!!
I was only trying to demonstrate the attitude of some nurseries/their staff, I didn't realise you just wanted everyone to instantly agree with you.
I know someone who owns and runs a very popular/busy nursery and they hate it went parents dump their not-so-well children on them and hand them a bottle of calpol/medicine with instructions to keep them in, the illness goes round the whole nursery including the staff.
You'd better get used to this attitude, when your DD goes to school, she won't be allowed to stay in at playtime because of cold and as you're not paying them to look after your child, when she's ill they'll send her home!
Littlemissbusybody indeed ... all give you busybody

paolosgirl · 09/02/2006 13:00

A walk up the road surely doesn't constitute an outing in your eyes, does it??????!

leogaela · 09/02/2006 13:02

I quite understand you SUHTC, although I dont think the fresh air (if the air along a main roda is fresh) would have done your dd any harm even with a cold.
Its realyl about the trust thing isn't it.
I turned up at my ds's nursery a few weeks ago to find one person caring on her own for about 8 children, 2 of which were under 1 year. Since then my trust in them has gone and I am suspicious all the time of how much care the children are getting.

My solution is to keep talking to them, and to other parents to find out what they are doing, ask loads of questions about what they have been doing, fine out if they are keeping the promises they made etc.

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 13:04

littlemissbossy

i apologise about the incorrect wording of your name, it was not meant in the way you have assumed and was typed after quickly reading that an other comments.
as i have explained several times now.

the nursery encourage me to take dd in if she just has a cold

there are happy to have some children in and some children out in playground

she has a cold-a snotty nose and a cough..not one of the things they ask you to keep them at home for.

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 13:06

paolosgirl
i not botherd what 'they' call it, all i know is that at 12.30 i dropped dd off in their care, feeling happy my child would be looked after re: my wishes and was not

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paolosgirl · 09/02/2006 13:06

A walk in the fresh air isn't going to make a cold any worse - probably make her feel better, clear the nasal passages and all that.

Enid · 09/02/2006 13:06

I thought you said she has a chest infection

paolosgirl · 09/02/2006 13:08

Swimming - I think you need to be a bit clearer as to what you mean by outings. If you mean that you want them to call you for permission every time they want to take your DD out for a walk, or to the nearby park, then it does seem a bit precious - sorry. An outing is a completely different thing.

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 13:08

leogaela - thankyou

god i thought i was the only one being weird about this?

i know a bit of fresh air wont kill her but the cars could have done should one of the other smaller children ran off leaving one person with many more children than she could be expected to manage...
it was them..grass verge 1-2 foot wide then the road?!

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 13:10

Enid on Thursday, 9 February, 2006 1:06:12 PM

I thought you said she has a chest infection

enid - after a night of constant coughing and no sleep, i took her to the doctors this morning and was informed she has a chest infection.
when onlt monday she was checked over and said she just had a cold - no problem

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MissChief · 09/02/2006 13:11

with you too - outrageous to flout yr request! Also IKWYM about pathetic nursery staff/child ratios on outings - always worried me when ds went out with ditsy staff just wanting to pop to the shops..

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 13:13

MissChief - i know

thing is they have staff problems at moment, so most of the girls are working split shifts to cover, but if they 'dont' have enough staff, they shouldnt still be advertising they have spaces! but they are

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paolosgirl · 09/02/2006 13:13

You're not being weird about the walk beside a busy road, with so few adults - as per my earlier email. The bit about the permission for outings and the expectation that she should be kept inside a nursery because she has a cold is what I'm querying.

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 13:15

ok, maybe they dont see that by 'outing' i see - going out of nursery grounds..maybe they see it as an afternoon with a bus ride to the park? i dont know, but i feel they should have been more specific..i blindly said yes but with prior notice thinking that any venture outside the gates would be made clear?

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tortoiseshell · 09/02/2006 13:17

Don't think I would class a walk outside the grounds as an outing tbh - at dd's nursery they often take them for walks, sometimes to the shops, eg the greengrocers. I really like that - dd is only in nursery 1 day each week, but for a child in full time nursery it means they don't totally miss out on things a child at home with parents does as a matter of course. Think it would be a nightmare to have to check each time tbh. I would class an 'outing' as going somewhere on a bus.

paolosgirl · 09/02/2006 13:19

Me too, tortoise. An outing is somewhere on a bus, usually a half/whole day thing. I think you have to expect that all nurseries take the kids for walks - it's part of being at a nursery.

littlerach · 09/02/2006 13:23

Perhaps that is why they didn't leave your child at the nursery - they didn't have enough staff to cover her. If they had just put her another year group's room, then this would have upset the ratio too.

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SwimmingUpHillThroughCustard · 09/02/2006 13:37

no, this particular day they have 3 new staff in the room-fully trained but new to the nursery.

in retrospect - i wouldnt have minded the outing/walk - if i had been told these things happen and where not classed as outings - but i can get away from the fact it wasnt a nice trip to our local tesco or the park but along a busy road with nothing at the end of it of any interest?..AND..i would have expecte dmore staff to be with them considering all children where around my dd's age (shes 2 yr 10 months)

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