It's Grim Up North!

[marthamoo]

I suppose this should be in Telly Addicts but it's more general than that really. Did anyone else watch it? Brian Sewell and Michael Winner - what *@!?s! Could't they have found slightly more well balanced Southerners? Guess it wouldn't have been so extreme then. Brian Sewell hoping for another flu epidemic so grim Northern cities can be razed to the ground...mmmm.

moo (Mancunian and Proud!)

He's a MN Grump, JT. We did have a lovely day that Wednesday though - did the launch round Derwentwater and had lunch at the Lodore Falls. Very nice and it was a gorgoeus sunny day, wasn't it?

I nearly went to Keswick anyway moo (missed - ahem - correct turning off M6 and didn't realise till I was nearly in Penrith) - if only I'd known!

It was a gorgeous day though so I'm glad you all enjoyed it.

If we do another meetup I will try to bring DD2 again, she loves your DS2 you know.

Ha, ha Jan! yes I'd forgotten about that!

Yes lovely day had all round by the sounds of it but a bit of trouble with cars

WE went to the Lakes last week and dd kept asking where the other ladies were, she kept saying where is the lady with the big car and the big boy with sticky hair?

Janh you (or your son!) have obviously made a lasting impression.

WE went to Grizedale with playgroup and dd was most put out that there wasn't a lake to paddle in.

Aw, twinset, that's really sweet - the big boy with the sticky hair, lol! (he badly needs a haircut before school now but didn't book the hairdresser in time so it'll be a couple more weeks now and it's too long to spike )

Say hi to DD from us! Grizedale is great but the lack of a lake there needs to be addressed urgently I feel.

She kept saying we are in the Lakes there must be one!!

twinset - have you got my CAT - can I post the picture of us all at Grizedale?

dur! Brockhole!

Moo- do you want a trangia stove, burner and meths bottle? They're in the car boot pile at the moment.

What did your dd say, Janh? Am dying to know. Where I come from (West Riding - now border of W and S Yorks) it sounds like 'I'll go t' foot of our stairs' only it isn't exactly a t sound. Definitely not "to t' foot"

Oh hi, edam!

Well I just asked her; first she said she thought it was a glottal stop; then that it was something slightly different (she mentioned closure or something and started feeling around the back of her jaw); then she decided it was a glottal stop after all.

She says if you try saying "titter" with a glottal stop, and then "to t'", and dig your fingers into your throat above your larynx as you say them, the movement is the same (and the tongue doesn't come into it as it would for a proper t sound).

There. Aren't you glad you reminded me?

I think that t' is just another major diff between Lancs and Yorks! (Southerners need a little gentle elocution training to learn how to speak Lancashire correctly )

Haven't read all of this thread but thought Stuart MacConie's article in Radio Times about this was rubbish. The column about the North was..... about the North. And the column about the South was about.....The North!

centre of the universe is the north

Hmm, Yorks/Lancs thing would make sense seeing as I'm from the right side of the Pennines (in both senses of the word).

Don't diss Stuart, he's a born and bred Wiganer!!

So Martha, Leeds??

go on, go on, go on, you know you wnat to!

It's more like tut (taking over where we left off as if there hadn't been a 24 hour break in the conversation) - I'll go tut foot of our stairs.

I'm OK thanks, giraffeski - we've just bought a CampingGaz double burner and grill (those Triangia things sound like hardened camper territory to me - car boot away!)

Leeds is still a bit far, lilibet - I'm thinking of the cost more than anything (which is what kyboshed the London one for me).

feel free to post the picture I would look a bit of a mean old humbug if I said no! But I won;t look at it, can't bear looking at pictures of myself!

Good point moo - a bit like tut with a glottal stop!

Yes, see!

Last night I wrote

ie "tut" - only if you wrote tut every non-northerner would rhyme it with putt, hence "to t'".

Sor'ed.

A vindicated Janh is a happy Janh.

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of course

(is that wrong? [worried])

your both wrong

Al gore t-fut ov are sturs

yes it is