Baby sitting outside of work hours. Manager is not allowing it.

[Letsgettalking567]

Hi guys can someone else me out here? I work in a private nursery. And I’ve started looking after a little girl after work hours from my old nursery. She doesn’t attend nursery anymore I pick her up from school. Her mum just enjoys me looking after her little girl and trusts me. And my manager now said she doesn’t feel comfortable with me doing it because I’m not a registered nanny. I said okay but I’m not looking after any children from your setting. It’s children that I have looked after many years ago from my previous settings. She said it’s not safe and it could fall back on her business and her company. How is this relevant ? Is there any truth in it ?

Right? Illegal nannying indeed 🤣🤣🤣

No.. absolutely not..
Unless you need to claim childcare costs..not the funded hours.. only childminders and nurseries can accept those..

just to clarify op you don’t have to be ‘registered’ to be a nanny or a babysitter. What you are doing sounds more like babysitting (babysitters can have regular hours) Assuming there nothing in your contract regarding second job there’s no reason you can’t do this. The only thing I will say is if it’s paid you should be declaring second job with tax office.

Technically 'babysitting' is seen as being care between 6pm-2am, whereas nannying can take place any time.
But realistically there's no real difference in terms of payment or registration requirements - you can employ whoever you like to care for your children in your own home, whatever hours you like.

Technically based on what law?

I don't think it's law, more government guidance? https://www.gov.uk/become-childminder-nanny

For Ofsted
You do not need to register if you’re:

• a nanny
• a tutor
• a babysitter and if you look after the children between 6pm and 2am
• a family friend and if you look after the children less than 3 hours a day

Slight derail but what are the rules if you're not getting paid? Another school mum and I share our school pickups and afternoon childcare a couple days a week (as in, she picks up my kid and has him for a few hours, and I do the same for hers another day), but we don't pay each other. It's a casual arrangement without a contract or anything but it is regular, the same days each week. Are there rules about this sort of thing??

No. That’s just mums helping each other out.

I guess im more concerned with whether I need to employ them? Surely not?!

No a casual babysitter would be self-employed. They can turn down the work if they are busy or unavailable.

are you getting paid or doing it as a favour? Is it ad hoc or regular? If you are being paid for regular hours, then you are a nanny and should be paid as an employee, so it’s going to impact on work as you essentially have a 2nd job. If you are talking the kid back to your house on a regular basis then you are a childminder and need to registered and insured. If you are just helping a friend and not getting paid that is fine

There are very clear differences between "childminding" and "babysitting". You need to look up Ofsted's rules.

If you are looking after the child on a regular basis for more than 2 day for money you are childminding and if you are not a registered childminder, this is illegal. Obviously the nursery aren't going to look good with an illegal childminder on their books.

Childminding is from your own home or premises and is regulated.

Nannying/babysitting in the child's home isn't regulated.

So much nonsense on this thread! 😆 my dd is 15 and has a regular babysitting gig as it’s so the parents can take the other child to their hobby. Based on some people’s posts she needs to be registered as a nanny, and taking childcare vouchers 😅

Nannies don't NEED to register with anyone. But some choose to register with OFSTED as families can pay using the government voucher scheme (I did) As long as OP as DBS, appropriate PL insurance and car insurance then she is fine

Our very experienced nanny isn’t Ofsted registered. She is fully insured. We pay her via PAYE.

What the OP is doing isn’t a problem for her employer, it’s none of their business

How many families on UC are employing nannies these days, I didnt realise it was a thing, I havent seen that on the front of the Daily Mail

I know registered nannies who work for families who get 85% of the costs paid for by UC.
The families are usually (but not always) struggling and it's usually (but not always) a short term solution.
But it is an available form of childcare.

It may be classed as conflict of interest if you have a look at your contract. I would contact ACAS and get some sound advice

So according to your post I'm not a 'decent' nanny because I'm not registered with Ofsted? Even though it's not needed because it's voluntary and the families I work for don't need to claim government help?

85% or not, how do you afford a nanny while on UC, even if its short term

Honestly it’s like talking to a brick wall, save yourself the trouble! No idea why that poster professes to know so much about nannying, when they are clearly clueless.

Because if the nanny charges £13 an hour the government will pay (approx) £11 of that..
The family then only have to find (approx) £2 per hour.

I know... sigh.... I don't usually get involved with posters like this but I felt insulted..
Just retired after 40+ yrs as a nanny.. registered and unregistered...

Fair enough, but is that the normal going rate for nannies? I pay more than that per hour for my cleaner.

Can nannies care for adults, I might get myself one at that price.