Baby sitting outside of work hours. Manager is not allowing it.

[Letsgettalking567]

Hi guys can someone else me out here? I work in a private nursery. And I’ve started looking after a little girl after work hours from my old nursery. She doesn’t attend nursery anymore I pick her up from school. Her mum just enjoys me looking after her little girl and trusts me. And my manager now said she doesn’t feel comfortable with me doing it because I’m not a registered nanny. I said okay but I’m not looking after any children from your setting. It’s children that I have looked after many years ago from my previous settings. She said it’s not safe and it could fall back on her business and her company. How is this relevant ? Is there any truth in it ?

Check your contract re second jobs? If no mention that not allowed and you are declaring to HMRC your additional earnings? Then just ignore

Does she have any concerns about your child care abilities? How are you doing at the nursery?

If it isn't children from your setting, I can't see what business it is of theirs. I look after friends children when they go out for the evening etc and it's just an arrangement between friends. You don't have to be a registered nanny to look after someone else's kids! Very strange. Maybe ask where this is stipulated in your contract?

Or just say ok sure and then carry on as you were. Why do they need to know?

This isn’t babysitting op

this is a regular set agreed arrangement just like a nanny

Your manager is correct to be concerned

Difference is - you do it adhoc

This is set days and hours and an ongoing arrangement. The op is nannying but illegally

See what your contract says about second jobs, and ACAS guidance. as you say, the child concerned is not looked after by your current nursery.

In your situation I would refuse her request, and continue to babysit, but you have no unfair dismissal rights for 2 years so would keep an eye open for other jobs in case she fires you.

Babysitting does not require the sitter to have qualifications.

Are you insured to be an afterschool nanny? Are you declaring it as a business and care takes place in the clients home? If so as long as there’s no clause in your contract saying you can’t then it’s fine. She’s right to be concerned though - if something happened I’m sure the media would find out where your regular job is

I think we can guess the responses (doubt we will get any though)

OP, you are nannying.
your manager is correct to be concerned

Does your contract say anything about working for previous parents?

if it isn’t in your contract it’s not her call but you need to read it very carefully

Nothing your manager can do.
She can’t police what you do with your time outside of work. Even if she wrote something about not doing childcare outside of work time in the contract, it’s not a clause that’s enforceable. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Crack on and don’t bother discussing it with her in future.

You don't have to be registered to be a nanny.
But to be a nanny the DC have to be looked after in the childs own home.
If you take them to your home for longer than 2 hours (I believe) then you must register as a childminder.
As a nanny you should be insured and if you transport them in a car that must be insured for business use too.

No nanny worth her salt wouldn’t register voluntarily.

What do you mean by ‘registering’ though? With what body? I’ve worked (legally with payroll!) as a nanny for 15 years, am very much ‘worth my salt’ and aside from being ‘registered’ with various agencies as I’ve moved between jobs and of course being on the DBS update service, I’m not ‘registered’ anywhere as a nanny aside from on my marriage certificate and my son’s birth certificate under ‘occupation’.

I absolutely wouldn’t voluntarily register with Ofsted, nor have I ever been required to.

Ofsted

It’s certainly in the parents interests (presuming they’re not paying cash in hand)

Why on earth wouldn’t you register with Ofsted? By doing that parents gets tax free childcare and if on UC…. 85% paid!

I don’t know of any Nannies registered with Ofsted, no family I’ve worked for ever needed it (can’t claim anything towards childcare hours fulfilled by a nanny if you earn over the threshold) and I don’t care to pay for their training or deal with them.

That’s wrong. A nanny simply registering with Ofsted cannot offer funded hours. As I’ve said though, I’ve never worked for a family that would meet the requirements to receive funded childcare.

Sweet Jesus

if a parent employs a nanny registered with Ofsted
a) they can use the reg number for UC 85% contribution
b) access to tax free childcare scheme or use own vouchers

im guessing you’re paid cash? Are you insured @FanofLeaves ?

How often are you picking the little girl up from school? I think this is the thing that means you are a nanny or a babysitter.

So if I employ a babysitter every Monday evening for a few hours (or maybe 70% of Mondays in a year) that person has to register as a nanny?

Sorry I’m not sure what part of this you’re not getting. And no, of course I’m not paid by cash, this is my profession, not a side hustle.

No the nanny doesn’t HAVE to

but decent Nannies voluntary register because they are are being employed by families paying via PAYE and therefore can access UC contribution of 85% or childcare vouchers

does your nanny have insurance?

I find the responses on this thread strange. Around here part time nannies aren't Ofsted registered it just isn't thing and parents/agencies check DBS and references etc but there is no benefit to the Ofsted registration

You certainly couldn't say decent nanny's are registered and ones who aren't are inferior standard

Dear lord

i didnt say funded hours!!!

read my post…. UC contribution of 85% require Ofsted reg. and tax free childcare schemes!!

UC families aren’t really my target market, as I assume is the case with most Nannies in the profession. Since I have my own insurance there’s no benefit at all to being Ofsted registered. I’m not sure why you’re so fixated on it.

Tumbleweed from the op

this manager is correct. The op is saying babysitting but it’s patently nannying which is a completely different kettle of fish.