Baby sitting outside of work hours. Manager is not allowing it.

[Letsgettalking567]

Hi guys can someone else me out here? I work in a private nursery. And I’ve started looking after a little girl after work hours from my old nursery. She doesn’t attend nursery anymore I pick her up from school. Her mum just enjoys me looking after her little girl and trusts me. And my manager now said she doesn’t feel comfortable with me doing it because I’m not a registered nanny. I said okay but I’m not looking after any children from your setting. It’s children that I have looked after many years ago from my previous settings. She said it’s not safe and it could fall back on her business and her company. How is this relevant ? Is there any truth in it ?

What’s with the ‘sweet Jesus’ and ‘dear lord’ @sugardown?chill out much!

I’m a PA teacher!

@Sugardown has just pulled up a thread of mine from March time where I was saying I did adhoc babysitting on occasion on top of my regular nanny job, to ask if I’d contacted HRMC about extra earnings (no, because I’m under the threshold, not that it’s any business of yours)

Honestly, get a life.

Why are you being so rude and constantly repeating the UC benefit to parents?! No parents on UC employ nannies!

You were pulled apart on that thread for being sketchy about tax

I wasn’t ’pulled apart’ on that thread in the slightest, what are you on?
Feel free to link it, since you’re so invested, not sure what relevance it has to the OP’s thread though 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Sugardownpassive aggressive teacher?

You're being really weird. Nannies don't register with OFSTED, get over it.

😂

Nice one!

If someone looks after a child less than two hours per day they don't need to be registered

I worked in nurseries for over twenty years. I’ve known plenty of staff to look after children for a few hours after work. Sometimes ad-hoc sometimes mon-Fri until parents finished work. It was never questioned and never seen as nannying. I’ve also never known Nannys to register with ofsted either. Most of the nannys I know worked in west London. None of these families would be on UC.

If your boss feels uncomfortable with it then she can sack you for it and allow herself to be taken to court for unfair dismissal. I expect she needs to be paying you a lot more than she does if she wants to dictate what you do outside of work with people she’s never met.

Yes this is right and I also think time after 6pm falls outside the rule, otherwise you'd have teenage Friday/Saturday night babysitters having to be "registered", insured etc.

A different point but if there is notable recurrence/regularity then a part time babysitter may end up being deemed a nanny employee with the other ramifications which come with that, even if both parties insist its a "babysitting" arrangement. That's only really correct for ad hoc arrangements.

I dont have one but I would like to be able to do a regular activity on Mondays that would necessitate childcare.

It never occurred to me that this would be seen as nannying.

Most nannies (who look after children in the parent’s home) don’t register with ofsted. That isn’t an indicator of their qualifications, performance or tax compliance.

OP hasn’t confirmed whether she’s nannying (OK) or unregistered childminding in her own home (more questionable)

I am a professional babysitter - I am insured (Morton Michel are good, look into them), I subscribe to the DBS Update Service, I am fully trained (which you will be through work) and I declare all earnings to HMRC. My employer also don’t mind second jobs - plus it’s within working time directives as I work part-time,

The big thing is that I don’t provide any “regular” childcare as that is Nanny/Childminder territory - I provide adhock evening childcare in the child’s home and do not do any school pick ups … what you are doing is nannying (or potentially childminding) and had different regulations & requirements, your employer is correct to be concerned.

No it's not 85% paid. It's added to entitlement and still have deductions

Working time directive is just for one job

I don’t get what you’re not getting about @FanofLeaves responses. Clearly they nanny for well off families who are not worried about paying through a tax free childcare account. That seems pretty unremarkable given that a Nanny is a top choice for wealthy families. I don’t know why a Nanny would want to voluntarily register with Ofsted, they have such a poor reputation. Seems like a lot of unnecessary hassle and paperwork if you can work without needing it.

Illegal nannying??

What on earth do you think that is 😂

The nursery manager is probably as badly informed as Sugardown @Letsgettalking567, unless there's something in your contract forbidding other jobs (and I'm not sure that would be fair/enforceable anyway) you babysitting has nothing to do with her.

I'm sorry but I've been a registered and unregistered nanny for a very long time and apart from the parents being able to use my registration for their benefit it makes absolutely no difference..

Most parents who employ nannies don't qualify for tax free childcare, let alone UC, so Ofsted registration isn't beneficial for most nannies.

Absolutely mental responses here.

How many families eligible for UC are employing nannies in all honestly?

My after school nanny isn’t Ofsted registered and she’s been a nanny for many many years, very experienced and absolutely brilliant.

The last 6 years I've worked for parents who earn too much to claim anything back.. so I deregistered .
There is no legal obligation for nannies to be registered.