Does anyone else feel like the Islamophobia on Mumsnet has ramped up in recent days?

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There have been several faux innocent threads started which have given posters the opportunity to be open in their Islamophobia. It’s truly depressing to read.

No, I've been here for yeeeeears and it's always been terrible

@biscuitnut However I thought we were on a thread that was specifically discussing an Islamic group calling for a caliphate so I concentrated on Islam.

Perhaps you are getting mixed up with the other thread you on. We are not discussing calling for a caliphate anywhere on this board

Hello everyone, we are getting quite a few reports about this thread so we just wanted to remind you that this board exists primarily for the use of Muslim Mumsnetters. Others are welcome to post but please be respectful.
MNHQ

Here as non Muslim just to send you lasses some love and support.

MN is a funny old place, you can find the greatest and supportive friends here but someone will be bashing you for your religion, income, shoe size.

Just wanted to say that you ladies have my support, love, respect and solidarity and only those things will combat hatred in any of its forms.

Please know that for myself and I'm not speaking for anyone else but I know other people do feel this way, to see other women, no matter how different we look, our religion or cultures are, to see you spoken about badly or be treated awfully in anyway hurts the heart. You deserve every same courtesy I get with my white privilege and I'll bore the absolute tits off everyone advocating that for you all here and in real life always.

actually yes it does. because you have no actual knowledge of islamic theology. I have no opinions about Christianity because I have no expert knowledge of it. I recognise that most Christians are normal people but some may be batshit crazy.
Muslims are the same
every group have their share of twats

your ignorance is staggering
honour killing is prevalent in certain parts of the world eg South Asia and has nothing to do with any religion

any killing of any human is completely forbidden in Islam

I'm not even going to try to explain halal slaughter to you because you won't change your views.

there is a difference between constructive criticism based on informed with an open mind opinion and blatant racism and opinions based on complete ignorance often stated with an intent to hurt or put down people from a certain group.
the former is discussion which is awesome and the latter is hate speech.

if you can't tell the difference then I suggest you check your privilege and start worrying that you belong to the second group.

A lot of people are more just scared of Islam. The teacher in hiding over the drawing as an example.

exactly right. not just that, men are specifically told not to stare at women as their eyes are a part of their hijab.
both genders are told to avert their gaze but men specifically even more so.

He should be afraid of people who are threatening to kill him for no good reason but not an entire religion.
And its been said many times but this board is a safe space for Muslims so why are you here?

and where did you find that information? are you a Qur'anic scholar?
or did you have your brain boiled by the daily fail?

I truly believe that racism towards someone who is different from you ( religion/beliefs/creed/physical appearance) stems from a lack of education.
I was an RE teacher for 20 years and when I first started, I soon realised that I knew less than I thought on the major religions.
I learnt the most from my pupils! They were my teachers. I was very lucky to teach in a multicultural school, where both staff and pupils came from varied religious and cultural background.

There's a goady thread in AIBU which has posted a link to this forum.

If there's an influx of bigots, that'll be why.

I disagree with the OP. People can disagree with other faiths but in general in the Uk most people are tolerant and accept that other people have different views and faiths to them.
Disagreeing with another faith does not make you phobic - the use of the suffix phobic is a way of shutting down debate and I would say intolerant behaviour.

@AliAta I think it's important for people to have debates, even to criticise - arguing is a great British tradition, after all, and there are many places around the world where people don't have that freedom to disagree and debate.

There is, however, a difference between reasoned debate and personal attacks, between discussion and stereotyping, between saying "I disagree with this thing" and "I disagree with your existence".

Things are said about Muslims and affiliated cultures, both online and in real life, that would not be acceptable if they were said about any other group of people. For example, in the context of making fun of / minimising the Iranian attack on Israel, someone said that it wasn't a big deal because the injured child was "only a Druze" (the Druze faith and culture branched off from Ismailism). That's a child's life being dismissed on account of her ethnicity and faith. That's not ok.

The physical and verbal abuse people receive from others due to ethnicity and faith should always be considered unacceptable, whether directed at a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or anyone else.

I'm happy to debate, discuss, criticise (heck, there's plenty to criticise in many faiths and cultures), but I am concerned about the rise in actual hatred and discrimination people from minority groups (including Muslims!) are experiencing.

@PipMumsnet I think this thread is a good example of why a safe space is needed, and why appearing in Active Threads or getting linked to from AIBU is sometimes a concern.

The term 'Islamophobia' actually dates back to around the time of WW1 and was a translation from a French term. I don't really like it, personally, I feel it gives people a get-out and minimises hatred and prejudice by using the suffix '-phobia'.

My own experience in the UK has been that there are large parts of the country that are anything but tolerant of me, where I and my DC are not safe, let alone my DH. Sadly, we do not live in a particularly tolerant country anymore.

YANBU op. That thread with the link from Fox news (of all places) full of the usual tropes.

that's nice. do you feel the same way about anti semitism?

As a non Muslim I noticed this and my first thought was that tory HQ are doing some not so subtle attempts to influence people ahead of the upcoming London mayoral election.

This is not what Islam does. The commonly misrepresented Qur'anic verses and ahadith regarding these things do not advocate these things. There is actually an important Surah in the Qur'an about the importance of accepting people living different paths and having different faiths.

Two of the challenges people can have with the Qur'an and the meanings of its verses are that it is a nonlinear text - the order of the Surahs in the Qur'an is not the order in which they were revealed and introduced to the faith - and that the Surahs need to be taken in the context of the events in which The Prophet (peace be upon him) was living, as well as in the context of the wider history of the Abrahamic religions.

If you have any particular verses or Surahs, or ahadith you're wanting to discuss, I'd be happy to pop back on later to chat if you want to start a thread about them or just @ me.

I'm not a Muslim and wouldn't normally intrude here, but I wanted to express my love and solidarity for Muslim women who are experiencing hostility here on MN and/or in the wider world xxxx

@ValueAddedTaxonomy @BibiSuzanne and everyone else who has posted supportively, thank you and please know you're welcome here on this board.

I am also not a Muslim and have been horrified at the Islamaphobia on here the past few days. Solidarity