Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC

[RachelMumsnet]

We’re running a facebook live with NSPCC about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse. The NSPCC have developed programme called Speak out. Stay safe delivered in primary schools across the UK. Volunteers visit schools where they run workshops and assemblies to teach children how to stay safe from abuse and what to do if they have any concerns. The NSPCC are also running a campaign called PANTS that teaches parents how to talk to young children about staying safe from sexual abuse in an age appropriate and non-scary way.

Lidl say: "'Last year Lidl UK employees voted to make the NSPCC their new national charity partner for a three year period. During this period, this partnership will aim to raise £3 million to keep 1 million primary school children safe through the NSPCC’s Speak out. Stay safe programme. This vital programme helps to empower a generation of children with the knowledge they need to stay safe. With at least 2 children in the average primary school class having suffered abuse or neglect, it’s vital that the NSPCC has the resources to visit primary schools across the UK to teach children that abuse is never OK."

Join the NSPCC live next week on Thursday 30 August at 12.30pm on Mumsnet Facebook or post up a question on this thread that we will put to the NSPCC during the live stream. We’ll link to the stream next week on this thread.

This is the NSPCC, and they believe that on the say so of largely non dysphoric fetishistic males, who, as explained eruditely above,vhave crept to prominence because they've been feted and taken on face value by the Government, the EHRC, the GEO, Maria Miller et al without a shred of due diligence.

In the entire 98 pages of Maria Miller's transgender equality report, not only was autogynephilia left unaddressed, it wasn't even mentioned. Not once.

One intern, 10 minutes and keyboard, is all it would have taken.

Due diligence indeed.

PippaPepperpot

Many genuine transsexuals are perfectly happy with a third option. But the fetishists and those who require validation are not.

They will say a third option is othering, but what they mean is it doesn't validate their identity, nor does it turn them on.

A 'third option' of trans would still mean male-bodied and female-bodied people/children sharing a space.

But the people who didn't want that could choose. So women only, men only and mixed.

Mixed for children too?

www.childline.org.uk/info-advice/your-feelings/sexual-identity/transgender-identity/
In this Childline/NSPCC page, linked to by a pp, the video chat states that it's okay to try out a gender identity for a bit without feeling you are committing yourself to anything.
So you may decide you've been a boy/girl all along, but in the meantime you've been involving other people in a delusion and forcing them to abandon their boundaries.
And figures of authority have been helping you to do that.

Why was this event cancelled? Huh?

NSPCC helplines worked with Mermaids and they refer kids on to Mermaids.

NSPCC helplines worked with Mermaids and they refer kids on to Mermaids.

Perhaps the NSPCC should work more closely with NHS / gender experts such as Dr Polly Carmichael and Dr Az Hakeem?

Re Mermaids: James Kirkup discusses the conflict with Mermaids and NHS service GIDs
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/
Dr Polly Carmichael head of the GIDS, Gender Identity Development Service of the Tavistock and Portman Trust, which is the NHS centre of excellence for helping children and adolescents with gender dsyphoria and other issues of gender-variance.

Dr Carmichael's nuanced lecture to the Association for Child and Adolescent Mental Health: soundcloud.com/user-664361280/dr-polly-carmichael-developments-and-dilemmas
(extract)
“Gender has become amazingly topical and we have to be really careful not to assume that anyone is exploring or questioning their gender is going to want to change their bodies in line with that. The extremes on either side are not helpful. We need to look at the grey areas in between. To do that we need to be able to talk and discuss these issues. All too often stakeholders become lobby groups.”

Re Understanding the transgender 'umbrella' which includes gender dysphoria, fetish, autogynophilia, drag etc

Dr Az Hakeem has written the introductory chapters to the book, 'TRANS: Exploring Gender Identity and Gender Dysphoria. A guide for everyone including professionals' published earlier this year.
www.amazon.co.uk/TRANS-Exploring-Gender-Identity-Dysphoria/dp/1911246496?tag=mumsnetforum-21

"Dr Az Hakeem is the top gender expert in the UK. He is a consultant psychiatrist and a visiting professor in Psychiatry & Applied Psychotherapy. He ran a specialist gender dysphoria service within the NHS for 12 years, to which patients were referred from all over the UK. He now practises in the private sector at The Priory Hospital, Roehampton, and at Harley Street and continues to work and research in the field of gender dysphoria. He is a senior clinical lecturer at the University of New South Wales, Australia."
www.grahammawchristie.com/dr-az-hakeem.html

I'm reposting this from upthread. Cos it's really important.

o I'll say it again. We are the biggest audience of parents in the country. We are DESPERATELY concerned about this topic. We are asking for a discussion. And if you can recognise that as something that should give you pause you shouldn't be involved in safeguarding anything.

MNHQ, thank you for allowing this debate on your site. No one else has been brave enough.

This is EXACTLY how Saville got away with things - no one fucking listened to the staff in residential homes, hospitals and charities saying that he was dodgy as fuck.

Tale as old as time.

Happityhap

Mixed for children too?

I don't agree with mixed sex toilets at all. But allowing men to access women's, makes them mixed anyway.

Am beyond angry. DD cancelled today. Will email them later to tell them why. Shared on my FB but the same 2 or 3 engage and that's it. What will it take to get people to wake up to this madness?

In this Childline/NSPCC page, linked to by a pp, the video chat states that it's okay to try out a gender identity for a bit without feeling you are committing yourself to anything.
So you may decide you've been a boy/girl all along, but in the meantime you've been involving other people in a delusion and forcing them to abandon their boundaries.
And figures of authority have been helping you to do that.

This is also the suggestion in (I think) all of the top rated Youtube videos should a young person search, "Am I transgender?"

The last time I looked, most of the YouTube 'stars' also said, "if you're asking the question, then you probably are"

The results of this YouTube search need to be watched and considered seriously, by child protection and child psychologist experts.

Popped on to check the response from the NSPCC and I'm appalled to find out they chickened out.

This is so fucking important. Loop hole of fucking humongous proportions right here.

What they all said above.

Has there been any reason given for wussing out? Maybe they were sick that day.

AsAProfessionalFekko

page 7 MN comment:
"Thanks for waiting; we've been thinking about what to do.

The focus of this Facebook Live was intended to be the NSPCC's Speak out. Stay safe and PANTS campaign and how to speak to children about keeping safe. Because the questions here are so focused on gender identity, the feeling is that the NSPCC campaign itself and the NSPCC's specific safety messages are unlikely to get much of an airing. As a result we came to the decision not to run the stream live on Facebook, although we will be recording some content with the NSPCC on the original topic which should go live either later today or tomorrow.

We’re sorry to all those who were waiting to put questions as part of the live event. We recognise many of you feel strongly about safeguarding in relation to issues around gender identity, but this was never intended to be the focus of this activity."

It's not the first time NSPCC have run away scared.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2755041-NSPCC-have-cancelled-a-debate-on-supporting-trans-children

Pencils

Interesting.

So the transactivists 'raised concerns' about one of the speakers not being on message enough, back in 2016 and the NSPCC rolled over then.

They're petrified, aren't they?

They really have been gagged.

They can't say a single dissenting comment. Nothing. Nada.

They can't make the safeguarding issue work when protocols alter entirely depending purely on the stated identity (ie opinion) of the person being assessed as a risk.

And they can't say anything about it.

There is no way they can keep this up indefinitely.

"Guidelines produced for schools in Scotland (approved by Scotgov and endorsed by children’s orgs) recommend that male bodied children be allowed to share sleeping accommodation, toilets and changing rooms with girls.

If any girl or her parents feel uncomfortable, embarrassed or distressed by this, and “say NO” (as NSPCC encourage, above), the first response recommended by the guidelines is to remind them of “inclusion, equality and respect”.

My question is this... If a child or parent reasonably says NO to someone of the opposite sex in sex-segregated areas ...(which is someone drawing their boundaries) ...why should they be reminded of "inclusion" ?
They've drawn the line, stated their legitimate reasons...and instead of being heard they are being shamed, guilted, COERCED into accepting that which they find unacceptable. The evidence strongly supports that "inclusion" overrides every boundary females lay down re males in their spaces.
NSPCC...how does this keep girls feeling comfortable and safe ?
If a girl says NO to sexual harassment...would she be reminded of "inclusion" too?......Not yet!

There is no way they can keep this up indefinitely.

No, because it is just a job to them. Yesterday was a bad day at the office.

But for us- this is our lives. Our safety. Our children’s lives. Our children’s safety.

We are not going anywhere.

It's bad enough that transactivists feel entitled to censor the debate / narrative about women's rights and trans issues. It becomes much more sinister when they demand that the safeguarding of children is compromised / manipulated in order for them to pursue their political agenda. The fact that the NSPCC is unable or unwilling to answer legitimate questions about how children are being rendered unsafe by transactivist's demands and policies is unthinkable.

Safeguarding is difficult work and those involved need clarity of thought, clear policies and an assertive determination to prioritise the welfare of children over the demands of adults. In this instance the NSPCC are failing to demonstrate any of this.

Nuanced comments by Stephanie Davies-Arai (Transgender Trend)

website:
www.transgendertrend.com/

Stephanie Davies Arai recent speech at 'Let A Woman Speak' event in Plymouth.
Towards the end of the speech she discusses the impact of the 'Memorandum of Understanding' on those counselling young people who are questioning their gender identity and how concerns have been raised to her by professionals.
Also that this MoU is due for renewal in the Autumn.

Does the NSPCC have an opinion on this? Are professionals able to raise any concerns they have with the organisation?

In my professional experience NSPCC are arrogant bastards, smug and complacent. They've got a huge brand, a Royal Charter, celebrity backing, and hundreds of millions of pounds (lots from the tax payer). This is not fear. It's professional arrogance. They don't give a fuck.