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Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC

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RachelMumsnet · 22/08/2018 21:47

We’re running a facebook live with NSPCC about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse. The NSPCC have developed programme called Speak out. Stay safe delivered in primary schools across the UK. Volunteers visit schools where they run workshops and assemblies to teach children how to stay safe from abuse and what to do if they have any concerns. The NSPCC are also running a campaign called PANTS that teaches parents how to talk to young children about staying safe from sexual abuse in an age appropriate and non-scary way.

Lidl say: "'Last year Lidl UK employees voted to make the NSPCC their new national charity partner for a three year period. During this period, this partnership will aim to raise £3 million to keep 1 million primary school children safe through the NSPCC’s Speak out. Stay safe programme. This vital programme helps to empower a generation of children with the knowledge they need to stay safe. With at least 2 children in the average primary school class having suffered abuse or neglect, it’s vital that the NSPCC has the resources to visit primary schools across the UK to teach children that abuse is never OK."

Join the NSPCC live next week on Thursday 30 August at 12.30pm on Mumsnet Facebook or post up a question on this thread that we will put to the NSPCC during the live stream. We’ll link to the stream next week on this thread.

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JackyHolyoake · 30/08/2018 21:18

Interesting you use the word "cursed" ... I used to experience someone on Twitter named "Cursed".

Do you really fail to understand what the implications of Self-ID of sex means for females?

Mrbatmun · 30/08/2018 21:19

When an internationally respected charity has to pull out of a live stream due to all the hate and you still don't get an "are we the baddies" moment.

If this really was the case, why didn't the NSPCC just come on and answer the questions simply and clearly to show us how wrong we are?

Do you remember when Nick Griffin went on Question Time and was basically shown up for what he was, and it effectively ended the BNP? Why is the tactic on this topic to silence women who have concerns? If we are so wrong, then the NSPCC could just allow us to show ourselves up for the 'transphobes' that we are? And simply explain what is wrong.

The more women speak up about this, lay our concerns out on the table for all to see, the more people are listening. And that is really putting the heebie jeebies up some people.

PencilsInSpace · 30/08/2018 21:20

Blimey.

I've been following these issues since 2012. Every time I think I can no longer be shocked, I'm shocked again.

My eyebrows aren't coming down for a while.

Not much else I can say that won't be deleted.

Mrbatmun · 30/08/2018 21:24

One that has little to no bearing on the thousands of women affected by the pay gap, by sexism, the power gap, a multitude of issues that are actually important.

Well good luck solving those things once 'woman' becomes totally meaningless. Once all of the top jobs are filled by people like Pips Bunce and there is no longer a problem with pay or power gaps because 'women' are just as equal as men.

Tunataka · 30/08/2018 21:26

They DIDNT need to pull out. They just need to explain to us the risk assessment that they have done which explains how boys who self id as girls dont pose the same safeguarding risk as other boys. If there is no risk, as they say, then this is very VERY simple

LadybirdsAreBirds · 30/08/2018 21:31

You know, the biggest single thing that can save kids from abuse is protecting them from men. Really I despair of any sanctimonious fool who comes on here and tries to pretend that that's not the issue

Voice0fReason · 30/08/2018 21:31

This is a shocking failure from the NSPCC.

Teenage school children going on a school trip.
Girls and boys sleep separately unless a boy identifies as a girl, in which case he can share sleeping and showering facilities with some girls, and the girls & their parents have no say in the matter. Also, if a girl identifies as a boy, she'll be fine sharing a room with several boys.

But there's no safeguarding concerns at all. What could possibly go wrong.

tiredandweary · 30/08/2018 21:34

As Tunataka says, if we're so wrong about risks to children then it will be simplicity in itself to highlight it and put us right. But the leading charity for safeguarding children can't do that as we're correct about the risks to children and all of the questions respectfully raised are backed up with clear evidence.

Still waiting for sisters to identify the transphobia...........

redshoeblueshoe · 30/08/2018 21:52

FFS Sad

SistersOfMercy · 30/08/2018 21:59

This exemplifies how far down the rabbit hole of obsession some on this forum have gone ...

"Sisters
How do we measure the pay gap or sexism or sex crime if males are counted in the female stats? That's what self ID means, all the tools and systems and laws women and girls need to fight sexism, GONE."

Let me think, definitely need a PhD in maths to work this one out ...

  1. 51% of the population
  2. 0.1% of the population

Oh yeah, I can really see how trans people will wipe women's issues off the face of the planet. Completely rational and not based in bigotry at all. insert J-lo gif

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 30/08/2018 22:00

One that has little to no bearing on the thousands of women affected by the pay gap, by sexism, the power gap, a multitude of issues that are actually important

What is your working definition of woman here?

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 30/08/2018 22:02

Let me think, definitely need a PhD in maths to work this one out ...1.51% of the population

Erm, when you can count any man as a woman, that 51% becomes meaningless. Ya plank.

FloralBunting · 30/08/2018 22:03

Sisters, are you struggling with comprehension? This is about safeguarding and girls being given the tools to be clear and firm about their boundaries, and the trans training which is deliberately over riding that. That is the concern being raised with the NSPCC.

That is what you are objecting to. Which makes you pretty fucking creepy, tbh.

SistersOfMercy · 30/08/2018 22:03

Anyway, if I wanted to engage with obsessed bigots I'd join Stormfront and get about as much rational debate as here it seems.

So I'll finish by apologising to the NSPCC for their treatment here, thank them for all their work in protecting vulnerable children, and donate £50 to them by way of compensating for this shit show. Also I'll definitely go through PANTS with my kids as it looks like a really good common sense bit of safeguarding.

GhostPerfume · 30/08/2018 22:07

Nspcc aren't getting a penny more of my money while they allow this bullshit to continue

Melanippe · 30/08/2018 22:08

SistersOfMercy, welcome to Mumsnet. Always a delight when someone toddles over from Twitter to tell women they're naughty for wanting to protect little girls.

JackyHolyoake · 30/08/2018 22:09

Sisters of Mercy You said:

  1. 51% of the population
  2. 0.1% of the population

That 0.1% of the population is largely males declaring themselves to be females and seeking legal endorsement of such a fiction.

Achieving such legal endorsement erases the female sex class entirely. If a male can be legally endorsed as a female then being female becomes meaningless.

We've had this conversation with you before Cursed.

Tunataka · 30/08/2018 22:11

Stormfront is a false equivalence. WOMEN arent the dominant oppressor with all the power here

Tunataka · 30/08/2018 22:13

Our opinions here are based on lifetimes of experience and well...history; rather than prejudice based on stereotypes and ignorance

FloralBunting · 30/08/2018 22:15

False equivalence? The neo Nazi slur doesn't even merit the respect of a sensible comeback like that.

SistersOfMercy has made it quite clear that strong safeguarding is the concern of Nazis and bigots. I'm sure all the parents on this parenting site will be chastened to know that.

BlooperReel · 30/08/2018 22:16

I would like to ask the NSPCC a question;

What are you going to do in years to come when this is all splashed across newspapers, a la the Saville scandal, and you are implicated? Do you already have your scape goats lined up?

FermatsTheorem · 30/08/2018 22:35

I'm still wondering which rule is more important, the pants rule or the don't make trans kids feel uncomfortable rule.

You have a class of school children getting ready for swimming, with two communal changing rooms. They used to be single sex, now they're single gender.

Are the girls of the sort with vulvas allowed not to get naked in front of the be-penised member of their "gender" cohort, appealing to the "pants" rule?

Or are they required to get naked in front of the be-penised member of their "gender" cohort, appealing to the "let's all be nice" rule?

(NB this is not a made up situation - it has happened in schools and sports facilities in America. IIRC, the trans individual now has the entire girls' changing room to themselves, while the girls all squash into what was formerly a broom cupboard.)

untoldstories · 30/08/2018 22:38

Also I'll definitely go through PANTS with my kids as it looks like a really good common sense bit of safeguarding

untoldstories · 30/08/2018 22:38

Also I'll definitely go through PANTS with my kids as it looks like a really good common sense bit of safeguarding

untoldstories · 30/08/2018 22:39

Oooops, fat fingers.

Also I'll definitely go through PANTS with my kids as it looks like a really good common sense bit of safeguarding

Lolling at PANTS though.
It certainly is.