Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC

[RachelMumsnet]

We’re running a facebook live with NSPCC about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse. The NSPCC have developed programme called Speak out. Stay safe delivered in primary schools across the UK. Volunteers visit schools where they run workshops and assemblies to teach children how to stay safe from abuse and what to do if they have any concerns. The NSPCC are also running a campaign called PANTS that teaches parents how to talk to young children about staying safe from sexual abuse in an age appropriate and non-scary way.

Lidl say: "'Last year Lidl UK employees voted to make the NSPCC their new national charity partner for a three year period. During this period, this partnership will aim to raise £3 million to keep 1 million primary school children safe through the NSPCC’s Speak out. Stay safe programme. This vital programme helps to empower a generation of children with the knowledge they need to stay safe. With at least 2 children in the average primary school class having suffered abuse or neglect, it’s vital that the NSPCC has the resources to visit primary schools across the UK to teach children that abuse is never OK."

Join the NSPCC live next week on Thursday 30 August at 12.30pm on Mumsnet Facebook or post up a question on this thread that we will put to the NSPCC during the live stream. We’ll link to the stream next week on this thread.

So what happens if a child phones Childline to report that she's being abused by a trans person? Would they just hang up on her?

probably tell her not to be such a bigot, because it NEVER happens

I have now forwarded this thread to a community group I’m involved in. NSPCC is one of the main charities we raise several thousand pounds for per year. I have asked for a review of this to be added to the agenda of our September monthly meeting.

This is beyond belief. I am genuinely struggling to believe what I have read from the NSPCC. If they could actually back up their statement they wouldn't have been too scared to do the live stream.

"The NSPCC doesn’t consider there to be specific child protection concerns in relation to trans-inclusive policies".

Can you point us to the research and risk assessments that you have done in this regard, NSPCC?

Except you forgot to add that kids should ignore the whole message if they might hurt someone's feelings.

Well that's it in a nutshell isn't it? Can you spell 'grooming' over there at woke HQ?

This thread is a disgrace, I saw it with interest as preventing child abuse is an important topic and the NSPCC does brilliant work. Instead it has been almost entirely taken over by anti-trans people derailing to their own obsession with trans people (women mainly it seems) and trying to paint them as pedophiles.

I thought Mumsnet had done something to stem the flow of transphobic hate? Seems whatever was done is not enough!

You're a disgrace. Let me remind you. Girls' boundaries are a child protection concern in and of themselves.

SistersOfMercy

If a convicted paedophile identifies as a woman, should they go to a woman's prison?

And boys' too. Neither sex should be forced to share intimate spaces with the opposite sex.

Oh and welcome to Mumsnet.

Welcome to Mumsnet SistersofMercy

What are the comments that you think are transphobic hate?

Gosh, SistersOfMercy, it’s wonderful to have you here. Now can you please point out the transphobic posts and I’ll report them?

Welcome to mumsnet /sisters.

Can you explain the conundrum of Scrodinger's Sturdy Pyjamas please. Thanks.

SistersOfMercy I desperately want people to be able to wear what they want, do what jobs they want, have their hair how they want and heck, even change their name if they like. I want people to be treated with respect despite their choices around all of these things.

What I object to is SELF ID, that is - any person being able to create a legal fiction around their sex class, with no medical gatekeeping. Paedophile priests, social workers, teachers, politicians, Scout leaders have always built entire lives (including expensive degrees, unsociable hours, voluntary work) with the primary focus of accessing vulnerable children. Are you really saying no person (let's face it, man, as these crimes are almost exclusively male) will self ID to gain access to little girl's shower rooms or Guides' tents?

SistersOfMercy Please can you explain how mothers wanting to protect their children from any potential harm can possibly be construed as "transphobic hate"? ["Transphobic hate" is a tautology, by the way.]

I thought Mumsnet had done something to stem the flow of transphobic hate?

Ensuring that safeguarding is upheld to the highest possible standards, which includes enabling women and children to be able to continue to assert their boundaries is NOT FUCKING TRANSPHOBIA.

It's such a relief when a person comes on a thread entirely concerned with keeping safeguarding robust and fit for purpose and tells all the parents concerned that they are a disgrace and hateful.

It reminds me that the people pushing the TRA narrative are absolutely devoid of care for the vulnerable and so invested in their myopic claptrap they don't care if it makes them look like they don't care about child abuse loophole. It's a damn good impetus to keep going so that the nasty bastards don't get their way.

Sisters is there a reason you don’t care about safeguarding principles?

There's obviously no hope for you, when a discussion about child protection has to be turned over to an obsession with trans people. When an internationally respected charity has to pull out of a live stream due to all the hate and you still don't get an "are we the baddies" moment. When their statement they are pulling out due to that obsessive hate on here a poster called "@therealposieparker" insinuates there is an "infiltration" of trans people in the NSPCC like some bad remake of Invasion of the Body Snatcher or Alex Jones channelling QAnon.

That really is quite bizarre to see. This place has become quite the one track echo-chamber obsessed with a single issue. One that has little to no bearing on the thousands of women affected by the pay gap, by sexism, the power gap, a multitude of issues that are actually important. No 0.1% or so of the population is the only issue of importance, and all threads have to be twisted into a discussion about that. Enjoy your ship of the damned voyage, cursed to only be able to think about trans people while they mostly get on with their lives.

The NSPCC doesn’t consider there to be specific child protection concerns in relation to trans-inclusive policies.

The feminist view of the impact on girls has already been very well covered.

So I will add points in relation to the children with a possible trans identification and safeguarding holes in material from trans lobby groups currently training schools, youth orgs and others :

*confidential disclosures
*no involvement of other agencies
*not informing parents
*encouraging parental alienation

You, the NSPCC, do not consider these to be salient safeguarding points? Really? Because this guidance paints a target on the gender-questioning child's back and every abuser in the land will be angling to insinuate themselves wherever these children are unless someone bloody does something.

You, the NSPCC are not fit for purpose.

When the word “woman” becomes a meaningless statement it will be too late for feminism, sistersofmercy. The other issues you mention are important, but how will we measure (for example) the gender pay gap if we can’t separate male from female salaries?

There's obviously no hope for you funny, I was just thinking that about you, after reading that bilge.

Sisters

How do we measure the pay gap or sexism or sex crime if males are counted in the female stats? That's what self ID means, all the tools and systems and laws women and girls need to fight sexism, GONE.

Clue is in the name, SEXism, not gender identity.

Self ID DISSOLVES all our safeguarding structures. Hence the outcry.

Take your disingenuous waffle elsewhere.

'a multitude of issues that are actually important'

Unlike giving children the tools they need to be clear and firm about their boundaries and keep them safe from abuse? Not high up on your agenda that one? OYF then.

When an internationally respected charity has to pull out of a live stream due to all the hate and you still don't get an "are we the baddies" moment.

1. They don't deserve to be "internationally respected" for all the reasons listed in this thread.

1. Projection much? Look in a fucking mirror.