Facebook Live about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse with NSPCC

[RachelMumsnet]

We’re running a facebook live with NSPCC about talking to kids about staying safe from abuse. The NSPCC have developed programme called Speak out. Stay safe delivered in primary schools across the UK. Volunteers visit schools where they run workshops and assemblies to teach children how to stay safe from abuse and what to do if they have any concerns. The NSPCC are also running a campaign called PANTS that teaches parents how to talk to young children about staying safe from sexual abuse in an age appropriate and non-scary way.

Lidl say: "'Last year Lidl UK employees voted to make the NSPCC their new national charity partner for a three year period. During this period, this partnership will aim to raise £3 million to keep 1 million primary school children safe through the NSPCC’s Speak out. Stay safe programme. This vital programme helps to empower a generation of children with the knowledge they need to stay safe. With at least 2 children in the average primary school class having suffered abuse or neglect, it’s vital that the NSPCC has the resources to visit primary schools across the UK to teach children that abuse is never OK."

Join the NSPCC live next week on Thursday 30 August at 12.30pm on Mumsnet Facebook or post up a question on this thread that we will put to the NSPCC during the live stream. We’ll link to the stream next week on this thread.

I don't think anyone is blaming MN.

I cannot believe NSPCC's response! You total cowards. How dare you come solicit questions from women and parents on mumsnet, then basically tell us all to fuck off by cancelling because you don't like our questions, and then tell us to fuck off again with a statement saying you don't think our safeguarding concerns are valid.

How dare you. You should be deeply ashamed.

Any space and activity involving children should have strong safeguarding policies in place, with a proper risk assessment to minimise the risks to all children involved.

Perhaps NSPCC could mention this part to Girl Guides who have told me, in writing, that they are prohibited from completing the risk assessments they would use for male children on residential trips if the male child identifies as trans, because this would be a breach of the Equality Act.

^^this

Buck passing cocks the lot of them. Children will be harmed as a result of this cowardice. I don't know how they can sleep at night.

The pants campaign is all about ensuring children have the language to talk about what has happened to them.

And at my DC’s school they are told

1. If there is someone of the opposite sex in the loos, they probably need to be there so mind your own business and don’t report to a teacher.
2. What they consider to be “vexatious reporting” on this topic will lead to suspension.
3. If a pupil is attacked or abused well that’s fine because they can just call the police because it is against the law.

This is happening is schools and other places children attend across the country. This falls under the current NSPCC Stay Safe and Pants campaign, does it not?

Why won't NSPCC answer these questions?

If there's no concern they must have good answers we haven't thought of.

If there are any issues this obviously needs addressed.

And at my DC’s school they are told
1. If there is someone of the opposite sex in the loos, they probably need to be there so mind your own business and don’t report to a teacher.
^2. What they consider to be “vexatious reporting” on this topic will lead to suspension.

1. If a pupil is attacked or abused well that’s fine because they can just call the police because it is against the law.^

Absolutely appalling.

Whoever had to type that statement must have been thinking 'Jesus Christ this will never wash'. If there is no concern to be had around trans issues, then come and answer each of the questions with the reason why there is no concern to be had!

This has been forwarded (by someone else, I should add) to everyone I work with! The anger in the replies is palpable.

Dear NSPCC

Just to be clear, you are advocating and sanctioning the dismantlement of sex segregation. Something that goes some way to ensuring that girls, when they are naked, or have the knickers round their ankles, are safe.

Just to make that clear. You are sanctioning mixed sex everything.

On the basis that it doesn't impact anyone.

Perhaps you'd like to talk to Amnesty or any UN refugee agency, who are going out of their way to promote sex segregation, on the basis that it makes spaces safer for women and girls.

You do know, don't you, that you don't really think this? That men or boys saying they are female, doesn't really make that so.

That you don't believe in dismantling sex segregation.

How's that working out for you, that cognitive dissonance?

This is from a man who 'identifies as a woman' to a 15-year-old girl.

"i can't believe you don't think i can be a woman because I have a cock. wtf. you wont be saying my girlcock isnt really female when im using your young terf cunt as a cum dump. you will fucking bow to my girldick. you will fucking choke on my girldick. fuck you"

You, of all people, should know that this is not about men, or boys, with gender dysphoria ffs. This is about every paedophile and predator on the planet being given the tools to access women and children. Tools that you're handing to them.

Come ON!! Please.

This has been forwarded (by someone else, I should add) to everyone I work with! The anger in the replies is palpable.

Well done that person. Hope you’re reading this NSPCC. You’ve been ‘outed’. I hope you write a better speech for the papers than you have for mumsnetters.

This thread has reminded me I have a DD to the NSPCC.
Or should that read, I had one.

Spectacularly spineless.

The problem is that fundamentally self id and current trans inclusive guidelines are in direct conflict with safeguarding. We can all see it.

We should be your core supporters NSPCC. These are our top safeguarding concerns. They should be yours.

You are not fit for purpose and have lost yourself a lot of grassroots support today.

Unbelievable show (or rather, no show ) from the NSPCC. Really hope the media picks this up. I won’t donate to the NSPCC ever again.

Right, so the NSPCC, a charity set up to protect children is only going to bother to protect boys and trans girls now. Thanks lads, good to know that girls are no longer allowed to have any boundaries, not allowed to say no, not allowed to understand that they don't have to put up with this?

I do hope your new friends will be able to replace the money you will lose from the cancelled DDs.

(Oh, and I don't know why I thought you'd have started looking after girls, you were shit with my case in 1974 and it seems you're no better now)

Has anyone managed to save this thread incase it gets deleted? I’ve tried to save it as a pdf but have only managed to save one page for some reason.

I am appalled at the lack of critical thinking and the willingness to ignore genuine concerns because you are too scared to admit that self ID causes massive safeguarding issues. I for one will never donate to the NSPCC again.

Which is a shame as I thought the Pants campaign was quite good. Except you forgot to add that kids should ignore the whole message if they might hurt someone's feelings.

I think a number of us now have the thread saved as PDFs.

Does anyone know an alternative children’s charity I could donate to? I only have the nspcc a few pounds a month but I’d been doing it for about 20 years.

What. The. Hell?

I've read some spineless weasel words in my time, but Lordha'mercy, that is astonishing.

I don't have the words. The anger is over riding right now. God this is evil.

No more fundraising from me or my family for the NSPCC. You are not fit for purpose and have clearly been hijacked.
Shame on you. Shame Shame Shame.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm very appreciative of Mumsnet setting up this talk and keeping us updated. It has enabled Musnetters to see the NSPCC for what they have become and where safety of girls comes in their priorities.

The NSPCC pants campaign was a good clear campaign, imo the questions asked related directly to that. The NSPCC should be ashamed

So what happens if a child phones Childline to report that she's being abused by a trans person? Would they just hang up on her?