Webchat with Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the Labour Party, Tuesday 30 May at midday

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We’re pleased to announce a webchat with the leader of the Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn on Tuesday 30 May at midday.

Jeremy has been MP for Islington North since 1983, and has been Labour leader since 2015, having been re-elected when Owen Smith stood against him in 2016. Labour’s manifesto for the election on June 8 proposes ‘a Brexit deal that puts our economy and living standards first’, tax rises for the top 5% of earners, the renationalisation of the railways, free school meals for all primary pupils, the abolition of university tuition fees, and a £250 billion investment fund for infrastructure and the economy.

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MNHQ

I think that's the first time I've seen someone compare Jeremy Corbyn to Hitler. Wow.

Jeremy Corbyn won't speak to The Jewish News, but will always make time for 'his friends in Hamas & Hezbollah'....

DJ
you do realise this has always happened under governments of all colours.
The NHS cannot be all things to all people and never has been.
I know when my elderly mother was in hospital under the nulabour watch - we made sure she had food and water available rather than relying on the nurses (who were overworked and understaffed)
this particular statistic made the news back in January and has been constantly re-quoted without questioning.

horsemadmom

You said

It would take you 5 minutes to google 'Corbyn antisemitism' and you will easily find his own words , both written and spoken

I said I couldn't find any such thing, and asked if you could do so for me. Your first link was a huge report so I didn't read all of it, but I did ctrl+f all instances of the word "Corbyn", and found no anti-semite remarks attributed to him.

The second link was a video, in which he did not appear, so obviously there was no evidence of him being an anti-semite there.

I didn't click on the rest because I'm assuming they were equally as vague.

I always think that you can tell a lot about a person by the company that they choose to keep. JC has a lot of friends that have antisemitic views, whether that's Sinn Fein or the IRA, or - more obviously - Hezbollah or individual Islamist preachers. One of his former aides said that he had a "blind spot" for Jewish issues, simply failing to recognise the problem that party members were flagging up to him.

I think the kindest interpretation of this situation is that JC supports the other stuff that his associates say and do, so chooses to overlook the antisemitic stuff. The more plausible - to me - interpretation is that JC sympathises to some extent with the things that they say and do. He might rail at the overt antisemitism, but he just doesn't get the small stuff. Even when it's pointed out to him. Which is problematic to me: if I were leading a large organisation and different people repeatedly said to me "boss, we have a problem with X", but I ignored it because I didn't think that there was a problem or I thought that the problem was being over-stated, or I thought that the problem had always been there and would sort itself out on its own, I think that would make me a bad leader, and quite possibly prejudiced.

(Aside - it's very similar to women's issues: politicians - including JC-
will call it out when they see obvious sexism, but not the subtle, every day stuff which we know has significant impact on how we live our lives and how safe or otherwise we feel)

But that doesn't prove the point that is being attempted here at suggesting JC is anti semitic does it?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQr1wCnqx_c

Horsemadmum, not all the videos you have posted work for me but the one above does. Could you explain why it shows Corbyn to be a dangerous antisemite on a par with Hitler (I presume that is who you were alluding to). I'm not seeing it.

I was wondering about this video too

But that doesn't prove the point that is being attempted here at suggesting JC is anti semitic does it?

Maybe not. However in two years he still hasn't spoken to the largest Jewish paper in the country.

You would think with the allegations that people make against him he would wouldn't you?

I haven't said that I think JC has said and done antisemitic, but that there is significant evidence that he has close, long standing associations with those who are, and that his actions as Labour leader have failed to provide sufficient assurance to those who have concerns that he "gets" it.

I don't know what Jeremy Corbyn thinks about geocaching, but if I saw lots of pictures of him with his arm around prominent geocachers; it was a matter of record that he had frequently attended fund raisers for geocaching; and orienteers had said that they thought that he was overly sympathetic towards geocachers and had ignored the problems of orienteering, it wouldn't be a huge stretch to think that maybe he was inclined towards supporting geocaching.*

*Slightly ridiculous example in order to (hopefully) avoid pp frantically googling to find out JC's position on the issue

Here's what that video shows... When the Chakrabarti 'inquiry' was presented (no stakeholders notified but Momentum folks given the heads up and packed out the room) I blogger and outspoken Corbyn sympathiser stood up and accused a Jewish Labour MP of colluding with right wing media to smear Corbyn. It was said in a form of words that is out of the Antisemitic Trope Playbook. The MP left in tears. The people sitting near the MP, including John Pienaar of the BBC can be heard on the video saying 'Wow. That was anti-semitic'. After the event, the antisemitic blogger shares a chummy moment with Corbyn and jokes 'Did you see what I did there?'.
Add this to Corbyn comparing Israel to De'ash and it's pretty clear that the fish rots from the head down.
The thing that YouWhatMate couldn't be bothered to read was the All Party Parliamentary Inquiry into Antisemitism which lays the blame clearly on Corbyn and his fellow travellers. When Labour MPs say flat out that Corbyn brought antisemitism into the party, how do you not listen?

Maybe not. However in two years he still hasn't spoken to the largest Jewish paper in the country.

And THATS why he is anti Semitic. ok.

posted too soon.
On those lines, May is probably the most ardent lover of Trump, considering she is the only woman whose hand Trump managed to hold on to tightly in public.

Add this to Corbyn comparing Israel to De'ash and it's pretty clear that the fish rots from the head down.
Israel is at it since ages so it all adds up. I have never been able to throw the image of that crushed American activist out of my head, neither the reality tv shows we see annually in terms of attacks and civilian deaths in the West Bank.
Anyone remotely interested in the history of Israel's occupations of Wesst Bank knows all that. We need to really address the right wing media dominance of UK if we have to save this country and we MUST start teaching scientific analysis methods in schools as compulsory subjects.

So really what the problem is here, is that Corbyn supports the human rights of the Palestinians, and promotes peace.

Bad, bad man.

*So really what the problem is here, is that Corbyn supports the human rights of the Palestinians, and promotes peace.

Bad, bad man.*

So really what the problem is here, is that Corbyn supports the human rights of the Palestinians, and promotes peace.

So if he promotes peace who has he spoken to on the other side?

Who did he speak to on the Loyalist side in NI?

And THATS why he is anti Semitic.

I have never said he is. I have said that there is an anti semitic event in the Labour party that he is doing nothing about.

HTH

Piglet, that's sort of the point of 'supporting peace' isn't it?!

But who are we to dare to cast aspersions on His Good Works.

There is no "other side" here piglet. It is not like you could bring the whole rogue and war criminal regime of Israel on the table without even being in the government in UK.
how do you start negotiations without even being in the office?

What you wrote up there didn't clearly that. It just kind of implied that and I don't think we are at the stage where we could get away with that sort of nudge nudge win know wink stuff. You say it loud and clear and give evidence. i am sure if something is wrong, it must be dealt with. It is just that the whole evidence of him not stopping anti Semitic actively is so weak on theface of it that I don't think it is even worth discussing at this stage, inless of course you count the headline of Telegraph/Mail/Spectator/Sun.

There is no "other side" here piglet. It is not like you could bring the whole rogue and war criminal regime of Israel on the table without even being in the government in UK.
how do you start negotiations without even being in the office?

Well apparently he managed it before...

'Working for peace in NI' apparently- by talking to only the one side.

There is no "other side" here piglet. It is not like you could bring the whole rogue and war criminal regime of Israel on the table without even being in the government

So did he attempt to meet anyone. Even one group at all?

I repeat my question a out NI. What loyalists did he see?

Also if you don't think there is a rise in anti semitism in this country have a look at the vile anti semitic abuse that was thrown at Naz Shah in the Bradford hustings.

Poor Naz. She actually made the mistake of educating herself on Israel, talking to the Jewish community and apologising unreservedly. This is what the Respect/Corbynites are doing in public- her twitter feed must be terrifying. I kind of want to hug her and get her a cuppa.

'Working for peace in NI' apparently- by talking to only the one side.
i can only shrug shoulder on that one because I am not old enough to remember any of that and neither have I don't any studies on that so can't comment. I have however seen his comments on that and I think the Mail/Sun/Spectator level media is representing his stance about IRA totally wrong.
As for Palestine vs Israel, practically the whole world knows which side is the occupier. Again, if a member of the party is abused and all that, that should be raised through proper channels and dealt with. you got any proof they raised this with him and he refused to condemn it or allowed it?