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Awkward (and other) questions about MNers jobs-following on from *Pinocchio's 1st thread.

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mignonette · 13/10/2013 15:02

Following on from this thread by Pinocchio -

"I thought this would be a good way for us to get answers to those awkward questions we would never dream of asking someone to their face in their place of work.

These are questions relating to my life that i would love honest answers to.

Hairdressers - When someone with bad dandruff/psoriasis sits on your chair, do you shrug it off, or do you quickly have a look to make sure it's not lice? Are you able to tell the difference right away or does it need investigating? And do you really want to know what my plans are for the day, or would you rather work in silence?

Teachers - do you get annoyed when parents write in homework diaries that a specific piece of homework was too tricky for their child? Do you take it as an insult to your teaching skills?

Waiter/waitresses - do you expect people to offer to clean up their children's mess before they leave, or do you just shrug it off as part of the job? If you're busy and haven't had chance to clean a table yet, and a new customer came up and asked for a cloth to clean it, would you be offended?

I'm a trainee SLT so not quite sure if I'm qualified to answer any questions regarding that line of work yet.

But i have experience working in a Subway sandwich store, a library, a gym and as a cleaner. So i can answer any cleaning, book or sandwich questions that are burning away inside you all"

Pinocchio I hope you don't mind me C+Ping your original post but wanted you to have the credit for this follow on as is such a great thread!

OP posts:
Calabria · 18/10/2013 17:47

ziggiestardust

I have a friend who is an aeronautical engineer. She never swears! ShockGrin

ziggiestardust · 18/10/2013 17:55

calabria, that comes from my days in the military Grin I don't swear at home, I get it all out of my system at work!

Ketchupwithchips · 18/10/2013 19:25

mignonette

Do you have an agent/organisation through which you acquire work? My DD originally did a stage and drama course in which she was apprenticed to the college theatre group. She did a similar course at university but is now training as a patissiere because it is such a tough business to break into.

No, I don't have an agent, and apart from a few lighting designers, I don't know anyone on the technical/SM side who does. Yes, it is a difficult world to break into, and good, paid jobs are scarce. A very high number of employers think that because we work in the arts, we must be doing it 'for the love' and therefore don't need to be paid (they often think this about actors/dancers/musicians too). I've not been in the business long, as I had a 'real' career and retrained at one of the top Drama Schools. My course included industry placements, from which I made contacts, and from then on, I've gone from one job to another. It's very much about who you know and who you've worked with, and if you don't know the company directly, chances are they will know someone who knows someone you've worked with.

I've not worked in the West End, as that is the ultimate challenge to break into.

Which theatres have you particularly enjoyed working in? Can you say? There are some gorgeous Georgian theatrea about (near me) which I imagine you may have heard of.

Buxton Opera House is my favourite venue to date. It's a bit of a pig technically (quite a steeply raked stage) and the accoustic from the stage is odd, but it's something about the atmosphere I love. Plus, the in-house crew are terrific. Just counted up, in the last 2 years alone I've worked in at least 35 venues, not all of them theatres, but a lot of those were one-nighters on tour.

Do you experience any friction between the permanent staff of the theatres you travel to and yourself being freelance or do they appreciate the chance to share 'stories' and expertise with yourself?

It really depends on the production, the venue and the people. On single- or two-night touring, there isn't time for social interaction. A typical schedule might be; day 1 drive from previous venue to next town, check in to accomodation, sleep. Day 2 9am unload lorry, put up lighting, set, set out costumes, props and furniture, 1pm lunch, 2pm continue as per am, 6pm break (maybe, depends how it's going), 6.30pm continue, 7.30pm run show, 10.20pm show ends, take down set and lighting, pack up costumes and props, load lorry, 1am finish, return to accomodation. Day 3, drive to next town, etc etc.

Some in-house crews are amazing, proactive, finish one job and ask you for another, look around to see what needs doing and do it. Some are lazy f*ckers who take the smallest opportunity to disappear or stand around at the door smoking. A lot of them are men who have a problem taking instructions from women. Thankfully I am a woman who has no problem with repeating instructions until they do it, and yelling if they don't.

What was your favourite production?

Sounds corny, but whatever I'm working on at the time - I've done everything from comedy to Shakespeare, site-specific drama in a basement to large-scale opera. I do have a favourite, but can't name it as it would completely out me - it was a one-off and high-profile.

My contracts generally run at around 6-8 weeks, with the longest so far being 3 months. If you don't like the show or the people, it's relatively easy to grit your teeth and tell yourself it's only another x performances.

Herisson · 18/10/2013 21:13

If you don't like the show or the people, it's relatively easy to grit your teeth and tell yourself it's only another x performances.

Ha. Oh, give it another ten or fifteen years and see how you feel!

I used to be in Wardrobe. I worked on some v famous shows in the West End, toured internationally, was earning a good wage and was in demand but the thing that drove me out of theatre in the end was the sodding people. I just got sick of the arseholes. OTOH, DH who is a lighting guy is quite tolerant of arseholes so maybe you will be too! Grin

If anyone wants to know anything about costume, I'm your woman.

SunshineSuperNova · 18/10/2013 21:23

Herisson I've often wondered what you do about underwear on stage shows. Do you have to supply bras and knickers for people? What if they're a funny size (thinking of my enormoboobs) or dirty gits?

Herisson · 18/10/2013 21:29

Underwear is entirely supplied by the person wearing it, unless visible onstage. Sometimes you get someone a nice bra or comfy pants or for something if you like them (thinking here of an actress who I squeezed some lovely turquoise Calvin Klein bras out of the budget for because she was so nice and it matched her costume and I could completely understand her desire for them). We would wash underwear, if machine washable. Tights/socks/stockings are supplied by the show and hand-washed every day.

Dirty gits get told to wash their own stuff. Thinking here of an actress who wore a body for a week or so with no underwear and returned it rather, er, crusty to be washed. YUCK. We told her to take it home and wash it herself and always wear pants in future. She did. We don't mind sweat in Wardrobe, that's normal. Spit also fine. Other bodily fluids not fine.

mignonette · 18/10/2013 21:32

Ketchup Thanks for such detailed answers. What an insight into your working life. Love the Thankfully I am a woman who has no problem with repeating instructions until they do it and yelling if they don't.

OP posts:
NightFallsFast · 19/10/2013 11:30

I'm a GP

MadameGazelleIsMyMum - I don't mind "always being on duty", though I dread an emergency happening when I've had a couple of glasses of wine! I participate in a dangerous sport, so that's always a source of possible emergencies too! I don't mind being asked for advice by friends and family, as long as they're not offended if I say they really ought to discuss it with their own GP. It is a bit wearing to be asked questions about manky toenails or piles or mental illness by people you've just met socially. Sometimes when asked what I do I say I work in a GP's surgery, which isn't untrue!

Fraggley - Honestly most of us don't do anything special to keep healthy, there's the usual range of personalities from the very fit (a suprising number of triathletes) to couch potatoes. Certainly most junior doctors have a terrible diet of hospital food and take aways and not enough sleep. We always complained we felt terrible but the culture is that you just keep going, sometimes when you shouldn't. Coffee and Red Bull helped. Most of us have our flu jabs but are exposed to lots of infections and get our fair share.

LedaOfSparta · 19/10/2013 19:20

So late back to this!

LtEve, you spellbound pretty busy!

Boffinmum, how silly of me not to add it to the post that I'm an operating department practitioner. I guess organisation is a key skill but I'm a bit stumped frankly.

Andysmild I went in may leave when I was 38 weeks pg last year. I can honestly say I had nothing special put in place in the operating theatre where I work to account for pregnancy. I still had to do my usual lifting and shifting and I once got a bit stuck under the anesthetic table whilst I was down there fixing something during a case!

LedaOfSparta · 19/10/2013 19:23

oohdrdarcy again sorry it's taken me a while to answer, it is quite a physical job but it's probably worth phoning the course tutors at the university you'd apply to and asking the question.

TheHouseCleaner · 19/10/2013 19:40

I'm sorry if this has been asked before although I can't see it anywhere.

Solicitors, what's the protocol when you're defending someone accused of a crime and he's pleading not guilty but you believe that he's guilty of the crime or worse still he admits to you that he's guilty?

HardFacedCareeristBitchNigel · 19/10/2013 19:42

Ziggie, I was a chef for 4 years and so I know a bit about that swearing like a trooper to fit in ;D I then went into the police service which again is very male dominated. The office I work in now was the first time I worked in a female dominated environment, I was like a fish out of water !!! I found it very difficult to work through the office politics, it's only after 5 years that I feel I have really mastered it.

Give me men to work with any day, they're as transparent as water and so easily to manipulate Grin

JimmyCorkhill · 20/10/2013 00:06

Great threads - this has been my Saturday night entertainment!

I'm a SAHM but was a primary school teacher. To the person who asked ages ago if teachers change once they have kids...I haven't returned to the job but I'm Blush about some of my homework ideas/suggestions at parents' eve. I was well meaning but had NO concept of how hard it is to fit in the basics of childcare without my 'fun' activities to do on top. Also I used to (inwardly) judge think badly of parents who grumbled about the length of school holidays and wonder why they had kids if they didn't want to spend time with them. THAT has come back to bite me on the bum BIG time Grin googles boarding schools for pre schoolers.

My question returns to the singing in tune bit (thinks it was Boffin?)

If 98% of people can sing in tune or be taught to sing in tune, how do you go about this? I would love to sing but was told from infant school that I couldn't (one of only 2 children not allowed in the choir). Can I be taught now I'm nearly 40? I am good at remembering words and I get the timing of songs but what comes out of my mouth is not great!! I can hear that it is wrong but don't know how to make it right?

You said that people who can't sing in tune missed a childhood window of opportunity to change this. Was my 1st singing rejection responsible for this? Can I pay a singing teacher to help me?

BoffinMum · 20/10/2013 11:05

Jimmy, the answer is highly likely to be yes. A lot of children are told just to mouth the words at school, around the age of 7, when most of the others have worked out the singing in tune thing. Instead of them being taken to one side and taught how to sing in tune themselves, they seem to miss the theoretical window I was talking about. I have taught a lot of people to sing over the years and I have managed to improve pitch dramatically in all but three isolated cases. Of these, one had hearing impairment after having measles as a kid, one did improve a bit but was never going to be consistently in tune, and one (a best friend of mine, and someone else had also had a go before I got to her) had absolutely no clue, and I think may be a dead loss Grin, as she freely admitted.

The way to start yourself on the path to enjoyable, confident singing is to sign up for 6 x 30 minute lessons once a week for 6 weeks, and practise religiously 10-20 minutes a day between lessons (not an hour the day before in a fit of guilt, because that doesn't work). You'll learn how to train your muscles and your brain to sing a lot better. 6 weeks is the minimum amount of time you have to do it to make any progress. After that, if you continue, there will be a bit of a plateau from time to time, and then sudden jerks upwards in terms of improvement. If you join a choir at the same time as starting to take lessons, this will accelerate your general progress as well.

Qualified and experienced teachers can be found here:

ISM Directory

Expect to pay roughly £12-£20 for a 30 minutes lesson, depending on the part of the country you live in and how experienced the teacher is.

I am happy for you to send me an mp3 of your singing and give an informal opinion about where you might be going wrong musically, if I can tell from listening to it.

JimmyCorkhill · 20/10/2013 13:05

Oh Boffin thank you Flowers.

I had a friend visit me yesterday and she was talking about a choir convention (ladies barbershop?) she was going too and it all sounded so much fun.

I will definitely check out the teachers. I'm not sure if I'm brave enough to do an mp3 but I really am grateful for your reply and encouragement Smile.

JimmyCorkhill · 20/10/2013 13:18

Well, waddya know? There is a professional singer who teaches people who think they can't sing 10 mins walk from my house. If that's not a sign...

Herisson · 20/10/2013 16:45

My uncle (who could not sing in any usual sense of the word) joined a choir specifically for non-singers and improved out of all recognition. There might be something like that near you?

JimmyCorkhill · 20/10/2013 17:28

Thanks Herisson. I think I've found something now.

I'll stop hijacking the thread now with my XFactor dreams!!

Doctors - what makes you choose being a GP over working in a hospital?

NightFallsFast · 21/10/2013 00:39

Doctors - what makes you choose being a GP over working in a hospital?

I chose GP for several reasons. The primary one is that general practice involves seeing lots of patients and I like people! In many hospital specialties the more qualified you get the fewer patients you see and the more you're supervising or managing other people, and I didn't want that. I also avoided hospital medicine because these days being employed by a hospital as a consultant, with huge responsibility but no control, constant restructuring, no flexibility etc is my idea of hell. Frequently in my training posts I was asked to manipulate waiting times, cancel booked holidays, work unsafe hours and was expected to care for an unsafe number of patients or with an unsafe level of support. Who wants to spend their working lives in that environment where they feel impotent to change anything?

However I've now left the NHS altogether. The same things are now happening to general practice. We were being asked to do the impossible - looking after more patients, with increasing morbidity an depmands with fewer GPs for longer hours with reduced pay. GP is now at breaking point unfortunately.

IsleOfRight · 22/10/2013 23:32

To the GPs and any other doctors or pharmacists - another question I'd find hard to ask in real life.
Ds has tonsillitis and his throat was very pus-y. He's 10mo and has been given antibiotics four times a day for ten days

Dd had a daily prophylaxis for two years so I thought we knew every trick in the book at getting medicine into a baby. But ds is so string willed and determined. He can taste is mixed in milk or yoghurt, won't open mouth even when we try to force it and if we do manage even if we blow in his face to make him swallow he somehow keeps the medicine in his cheek and spits it out a minute later. Day five now and I reckon he's had about 1ml of each dose that should be 2.5ml. Also we're running out because we try again if he spits entire thing out so only enough medicine to take us to, my guess , day 7 of 10.
His cough is throaty especially in the evenings but he no longer seems ill or has temp. Do we need to get more medicine and also is there any benefit to such a reduced dose or is he likely to just contribute to antibiotic resistance and risk it coming back stronger and what should we do.

IsleOfRight · 22/10/2013 23:33

And also a q for the same people - does your heart sink when someone comes in and you have to look at their bum eg piles?

SockQueen · 22/10/2013 23:43

Bums are not a problem for me - I wear gloves and wash my hands, it's just part of the job. Most doctors and nurses have seen it all before, there's nothing to be embarrassed about. Definitely not a heartsink moment for me (still a fairly junior doc so rotate through a few different specialties)!

JimmyCorpseHell · 23/10/2013 12:35

Thanks for the GP/hospital answer - that makes a lot of sense. I think I just watch too much TV and think the hospital side looks so exciting!

Thumbwitch · 23/10/2013 13:38

Just reading through both threads but am very sad to see they're both in Chat! As they will disappear in 90 days.

Mignonette and Pinocchio - could you each report your own thread and ask for them to be moved somewhere more permanent please? Employment would make the most sense, I guess, even though it's usually fairly low-traffic. But at least they then won't disappear! :)

KeatsiePie · 23/10/2013 17:04

thanksamillion very late coming back, I think I messed up my threads I'm on, but thanks for answering about your missionary work. It sounds really fulfilling and busy to be doing so much varying community-building work.

This is all so interesting. Need to go back and read previous thread too.

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