Archaeologists are DNA testing some bones they've found to see if they might be the remains of Richard III. Are there any other members of the Royal Family....

[seeker]

where DNA testing might produce interesting results?

[SaggyOldClothCatPuss]

@ Linerunner! You are about 600 years too late!

[TunipTheVegemal]

Not on Mumsnet, LineRunner, no. No-one discusses that kind of thing here. It is all erudite and scholarly don't you know.

[LineRunner]

No, Saggy, you are 600 years too early.

[SaggyOldClothCatPuss]

OOPS! Ive just actually read the OP!

And Prince Harry is a windsor. He couldnt look more like one if he tried!

[seeker]

But the history bit is more interesting then the gossip bit. Although the gossip bit is interesting too......

[SaggyOldClothCatPuss]

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[TunipTheVegemal]

He does look like a Windsor but he looks like a Hewitt too. It's most confusing.

[JumpingThroughMoreHoops]

I don't think today's royals are particularly direct descendents of the Plantagenets are they? So they wouldn't go for them anyway.

William and Harry are Plantaganet through Diana

[Vagaceratops]

Maybe the Perkin Warbeck story was true and Richard survived.

[MyNeighbourIsStrange]

He has matured into a Windsor, red hair comes from the spencers. Dirty Dianna planted a seed of doubt, which I think is now gone.

[SaggyOldClothCatPuss]

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=prince+harry+earl+spencer&start=122&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&biw=1366&bih=673&tbm=isch&tbnid=OOHZuu1RwGPNaM:&imgrefurl=forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php%3Fp%3D38368505&docid=VaXzes2L4hKIRM&imgurl=timo54.suntuubi.com/datafiles/userfiles/Image/Edward%252520John%252520(8th%252520Earl)%252520SPENCER.jpg1.jpg&w=300&h=400&ei=yQVRUJimBaqr0QWnvYGADg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=573&vpy=86&dur=4164&hovh=259&hovw=194&tx=62&ty=168&sig=113498744015737260467&page=6&tbnh=147&tbnw=112&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:122,i:117" rel="nofollow noindex" target="_blank">Harry looks like the spencers too. He has red hair like Hewitt. Thats all, and he gets that from his mother.

[Vagaceratops]

Catherine of York married and had children Henry, Edward and Margaret.

[Vagaceratops]

[Colyngbourne]

Bit stunned by the sudden discovery of remains possibly Richard, but glad it's stirred up lots of interest in him, and hopefully got some people joining the RIII Society.

It could have been Buckingham, and Richard did call him "the most untrue creature living" but IMO, was more likely Margaret Beaufort or the boys survived in some way. Henry - Henry didn't know what happened to the princes, or he wouldn't have been so nervous about pretenders all his life and bribing Tyrrel into a forced confession 20 odd years later.

If it turns out to be him, the scoliosis is neither here nor there: he was a capable swordsman and general in his brother's army. He led a terrific charge at Bosworth and nearly - sadly not - got as far as eliminating Tudor himself.

[SaggyOldClothCatPuss]

Elizabeth Woodville had children from her first marriage. Their descendents would be candidates for a maternal match.
Im another who thinks Margaret Beaufort could also have done it. She was pretty ruthless where her son was concerned.

[SaggyOldClothCatPuss]

Id love to join the Richard III society...
Ive got a friend who is a Yorkist Archer. We have some fantastic discussions!

[TwoIfBySea]

Ok English historians, fill in the gaps here for me please!

Queen Elizabeth II is of what lineage? I find it fascinating but slightly confusing. Was she from the Tudor line, Plantaganet? Pity history focusses entirely on Henry VIII and not on this era, have read Phillipa Gregory's books on Elizabeth Woodville and had to keep referring to the family tree in the front cover to keep myself correct!

[SaggyOldClothCatPuss]

Waasnt EW from french aristocracy? House of Burgundy?

[LineRunner]

Doesn't Earl Spencer put one in mind of David Cameron?

[MyNeighbourIsStrange]

It all gets messy after Charles II, James I was grandson of Henry VIII sister so a bit of Tudor was there too.

[Fuchzia]

aLittle I think you are right about Anne Boleyn. Not sure QEII could be said to be either Tudor or Plantagenet twoif they had to skip over a lot of people to find some non-Catholics in Grrmany.

[SaggyOldClothCatPuss]

All the houses are linked by blood, its just that the name changes when there is a sideways jump through the female line.
the Tudor name did die out, but Mary Queen of Scots (Mother of James I (Stuart)) was the G Granddaughter of Henry VII.
Henry VIIIs sister Margaret married the King of Scotland, so both descended from Henry VII.
George I (Hanover) was G grandson of James I, through his daughter.
Queen Victoria was a Hanover, who changed her name to Saxe Coburg Gotha when she married Albert. Our queen is a direct descendent of Victoria.
So, through Victoria, The Georges and James of Scotland, our royals have Tudor blood, it just been married off and had its name changed.
So:
Elizabeth II (windsor)- GGG GD of Victoria (hanover)- GGGGG GD of George I (Hanover)- G GS of James I (Stewart)- GG GS of Henry VII (Tudor) and Elizabeth of York (Plantagenet)

[washngo]

Michael phelps has Scoliosis doesn't he? So that wouldn't have stopped RIII being physically strong.

[Yohoahoy]

Just have to say thankyou LaQueen - that's a book I don't know! My Richard-love came from Sharon Penman's "The Sunne in Splendour". Sigh.

[saffronwblue]

I think they are testing the DNA against a Canadian guy whose mother is a direct Plantagenet descendant. Another Josephine Tey fan here!