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Help!! Carpet fitter has just stormed out. AIBU?

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whenskiesaregrey · 17/04/2012 11:51

Sorry for rambling state of this post, I am a bit upset about the way I have just been spoken to. Also, sorry for the length of the post, I just want to include all the detail.

I ordered some carpet last week to be fitted today. It is a local small carpet shop, not part of a chain. They offer a 'free fitting service', but you pay 75% of the price in the shop, and the remainder once fitted. I presume this is because they sub-contract out the fitting. In my case this was £150 in the shop, and £50 once fitted. I have bought carpet and fitting from this shop before, and the fitting service wasn't great, but they said they were using a different company that day, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt and ordered from them again. In the shop, I mentioned the problems I had had last time (punctuality, not taking old carpet away) and asked for reassurance that the service would be better this time. I was assured it would be.

Carpet was due to be delivered at 9am. At half past 9, no-one had turned up, so I rang the shop asking where they were. I was told they had has a couple of problems this morning and only had one fitter on instead of two, and they might be able to fit me in a 2pm today. I can't do that time as DS has a party 2-4pm, and I work Wed-Fri, so this morning really was the only time this week that was suitable. I explained to the man on the phone that I has problems last time, and was told it would be better this time. So he said he would move some things around, and fit me in about 10am this morning.

At 10, two men arrived to fit the carpet. In the bedroom, the furniture we had left in there was a double bed, a wardrobe, and chester of drawers and two little side units. We had been told in the shop not to worry about moving any furniture out of the room, that they would move it around the room to fit it. DH had taken the mirrored doors off the wardrobe to make it lighter to move, and we had moved all of the other usual bedroom stuff out of the room. The chest of drawers were half empty, just had underwear in them. The bed still had the bedding on it because I didn't think it would make any difference. The little side units did have things in them, but they really are very small, so I thought they be okay. I am 27+ weeks pregnant with PGP, so it is a bit difficult to move things around.

He went to the bedroom and looked around and sighed. The said, you're going to need to get those clothes out of that wardrobe. There wasn't very much in there because we are getting new wardrobes, so it was just a few things to keep us going until the new stuff arrived. I said I would move it, but it shouldn't make much different to the weight. He said if he tried to move the wardrobe, it would collapse, which I said wasn't true as we have just decorated, and have been moving the wardrobe around so we could get to the walls. But I still carried on moving the clothes. He then started opening the drawers in the chest of drawers, which have my underwear etc in. I said the drawers are almost empty, so the underwear shoudn't make any difference to the weight. He then picked up the small unit and dragged it around the room in a way that the drawers all fell forward and the unit nearly tipped up. I said to him that I would move it if he was going to move it like that, and moved the other unit out of the room. He then said 'look love, I'm doing you a favour here, I could leave you to move it by yourself if you want'. By the point, the other lad had turned the double bed up on to its side and was leaning against the window. I said to the first lad that I understood that he has obviously had a busy morning and he didn't have much patience, but I had been waiting for the delivery too. He said 'no patience?! I shouldn't even be here. I'm not staying here and taking this. Do you want me to go'. I said to him if he wanted to go, he should go, but it's his job to fit the carpet. He shouted to the other lad, 'right, we're off', stormed down the stairs and got in the van. The other lad looked a bit sheepish, and I said 'so is he just going to go, leaving the bed on its side and all the furniture like that'. I am quite obviously pregnant, and DS was playing downstairs and shouting to me, so it was obvious that I would not be able to move the furniture back. He said he would have a word with him, but once he had got in the van, they drove off. So the bedroom is left with the very heavy oak double bed on its side, a unit in the middle of the floor, and they left the door open as they stormed out.

I rang the shop and explained that I thought the fitter was very rude, and what was going to happen now. He said that they had done me a favour by moving the other appointments round to fit me in at 10am, and they were wasting time on the phone at the moment, and other appointments needed to be done. He then said it is in my best interest to be flexible with the delivery time, because I wont get my £150 deposit back, because they have ordered the carpet. I then tried to reiterate how rude the fitter had been to me. Apparently the fitter had told the lad in the shop that I refused to move anything out of the room, and that is why he left. Now, if the shop had explained to us to make sure wardrobes were empty, drawers were empty etc, then we would have done it. We told them when we ordered it it was for a bedroom, so you would know the type of furniture would be in there. But we were told that we did not need to get any furniture out of the room, the fitters would work around it.

Was I being unreasonable to the fitter? Is it true I can't get my money back on the carpet? I don't want that fitter back in the house, he really was so horrible to me. I understand he has obviously had a busy day, and I said that to him, but at the end of the day, that isn't my fault and he shouldn't take it out on me. I also don't like the suggestion from the shop that they are doing me a favour by re-arranging the delivery for me, when I have paid for a carpet and fitting, and that is what I expected.

I am pretty upset at the moment, which is probably all pregnancy hormones. I got a bit upset on the phone to the shop, so he said he would ring me back 'when I had calmed down'. So I am waiting for them to call back now. Where do I stand?

Thank you if you read this far!!

OP posts:
takingiteasy · 17/04/2012 12:50

I don't blame the fitters for refusing to play tetris with the excessive amount of furniture you expected them to fit a carpet around.

I do blame the shop for saying you don't need to move anything. But all they want is the sale. The fitters are obviously subbies who don't have the time to rearrange your room.

Why on earth anyone wouldn't at least make an effort to empty the room is beyond me. Covers on the bed and clothes in the drawers? Really? You didn't think to make an effort?

My DH is a joiner and has been expected to empty people's kitchen cupboards before ripping them out to fit new ones. He's done it but they were charge by the hour for the privilige.

TheEternalOptimist · 17/04/2012 12:52

Am totally bemused that the OP is being told off for not moving the furniture.

She asked the shop about the furniture and was told not to move it, that the fitters would move it.

This is a communication problem between the fitter and the shop. And bloody awful service. Not to mention that they won't spend any time on the phone to you to sort it out.

The shop is saving money by not employing their own fitters and are contracting the job out to people they are recommending, so they should be ensuring that they know exactly what is expected of them.

When they phone back say to them:

  1. I ordered the carpet. We agreed that you would fit the carpet today.
  1. I asked about the furniture. You said that it was not a problem
  1. The fitter was rude and unhelpful. It was not my fault that you (the shop) and the fitter had a miscommunication about the furniture
  1. The fitter has left, without the carpet, the bedroom is in disarray.
  1. What are you going to do about it?

Keep going back to the issue that the miscommunication was not your fault and ask, "What are you going to do about it?".

If they won't give you an answer, then say:

Right, here is my suggestion. Either someone comes back today at 5pm and fits the carpet, or you refund my £150 and I go elsewhere.

whenskiesaregrey · 17/04/2012 12:53

I really do understand what you are saying about the furniture. I was surprised that we didn't need to move it, but it is specifically what we were told.

Naively, I didn't empty the drawers completely, which would have made it easier I can see. But if the man had just said 'while I get the carpet, would you mind doing this or that' then that's fine. I don't have a great deal of common sense, I'm the first to admit it, so I obviously should have emptied the drawers. With the bedding, I literally thought the would lift one side of the bed, roll the carpet under, then lift the other side. I really thought it would make no difference if the bedding was on there.

But I really don't want that man back in my house. I have managed to get hold of DH (he was in a meeting) and he has said he doesn't want the carpet from them anymore.

OP posts:
takingiteasy · 17/04/2012 12:54

There's moving emptied drawers etc and being expected to move drawers full of knickers and take duvets of beds.

It's surely common sense to do as much as possible?

insancerre · 17/04/2012 12:54

I would ring the shop and ask them to deliver your carpet (you have paid for it)
Then arrange for somebody else to fit the carpet.

MargueritaaPracatan · 17/04/2012 12:55

These are hard times, any order is hard fought. They should be bending over backwards to help.

If you receive good service you'll tell two people, bad and you'll tell nine, I always remember this.

jenny60 · 17/04/2012 12:55

Why on earth aren't people reading the posts. The OP has said that the people in the shop told her she wouldn't need to move the furniture. I have some sympathy for the fitters as they clealry expected her to have moved it, but there was no need to be so rude to a customer. FWIW, I've had carpet fitters move furniture, but that's not the point here.

OP YANBU. I would write a letter to complaint to the shop, copying it in the the local paper, and seek advice via the link on page 1. This kind of service makes me furious and I can see why you're annoyed.

YonWhaleFish · 17/04/2012 12:56

I can't imagine not clearing a room for carpet fitting - not only that I get rid of the old carpet myself.

Carpet fitters fit carpets they don't move your furniture around unless you have specifically agreed and paid for it.

The shop's messed up here by the sounds of it and you're suffering the fallout. Stand firm, plenty of good advice re refund etc on here already! Good luck!

LadyClariceCannockMonty · 17/04/2012 12:56

No, YANBU and I think people should give it a rest with the comments about 'common sense' and 'the fitters are there to fit carpet not to move furniture' etc. The OP explicitly asked about moving furniture and was told she didn't need to! It's not a customer's fault if the shop says one thing but doesn't communicate that to the fitters.

Write a simple, clear, bullet-pointed letter/email to the manager stating this and exactly, as far as you can remember, how the conversation with the shop and the fitters went. If that doesn't work, ask who to escalate it to. If there's no one higher than the manager, tell them you're prepared to go to Trading Standards and, if they still don't return your money, proceed to approach Trading Standards and let the shop know you've done so.

And use a different company next time, obviously!

jenny60 · 17/04/2012 12:56

OP: Also, ring Which for advice. Thye are brilliant.

redlac · 17/04/2012 12:57

jenny you aren't reading the posts either! There are lots of posts saying that the fitters are probably more than willing to move unmattressed beds, empty drawer units so a bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss!

Chubfuddler · 17/04/2012 12:58

The problem is the shop is promising the earth to get the sale and then contracting out the fitting to people who are not at all on board with the "move furniture take away old" part of the deal.

It's clearly 150 for carpet which you have paid. Tell them to hand over thd goods you have paid for and then find your own fitter.

MargueritaaPracatan · 17/04/2012 12:58

Customer is king.

whenskiesaregrey · 17/04/2012 12:59

Also regarding the moving of furniture, I don't think it is a miscommunication offer. It is on posters in the window of the shop 'free fitting, removal of old carpet, we will move the furniture'. The last time we bought from the shop we were told we didn't need to move the furniture, and we were told the same this time.

I didn't make no effort. Like I said DH took the very heavy mirrored doors off the wardrobe. The drawers were half empty (2 out of 4 drawers empty) and the wardrobe had about 10 things hanging in it. But like I said, I appreciate common sense would have been to empty completely. Compared to what is usually in the bedroom, we had moved a lot, it was just the relatively 'static' furniture left.

OP posts:
SoupDragon · 17/04/2012 13:00

TBH, I'm mostly on the side of the fitters. It sounds like you were huffy with them, pissed them off and told them to leave.

TheRhubarb · 17/04/2012 13:00

The OP is pregnant.

Would you rather she lugged the furniture about in her pregnant state than two strong men?

She had emptied the wardrobe and drawers as best as she could, although yes I'm sure she could have taken all the drawers out to make it even easier. As someone else said, that is what common sense would dictate.

However, it is not her fault that the shop told her that she didn't have to. Neither it is the fitters fault that the shop informed her of this.

It is also not her fault that they were one man down that day and had taken too many bookings.

The carpet fitters are supposed to be professionals, it's part of their job. They failed big time on that score. You don't just drive off with a customer's paid for item just because you are having a rough day. From what I can tell she did not swear at them, she was not particularly rude - her only fault was that she hadn't moved the furniture (again, pointing out the pregnant bit) and she wasn't able to accommodate them later that afternoon. Both of which she could do nothing about on the day.

MargueritaaPracatan · 17/04/2012 13:02

Ahh, they were shit, whenskies, no doubt about it. Have you called them yet?

pictish · 17/04/2012 13:02

OP - I think the carpet fitter was rude to you was obviously at the end of his tether with other issues, so it was wrong of him to take it out on you.

However, they are NOT there to lug your furniture around for you! A full wardrobe, a heavy oak bed with mattress, two side table with stuff in the drawers?? Surely to goodness you did not expect them to work around all that, or move it for you? The shop should not have told you that that would be ok - they are carpet fitters and fit carpets. They are not removal men as others have pointed out.

We recently had a carpet fitted in the living room and spent the night before clearing the room of everything, except the sofa....which we moved around FOR them when they came to fit.

He was OTT - but from his pov, you are standing there waiting for them to do what YOU should have done. They were obviously rushed and under pressure, and you gave them work to do that was not their job....then moaned about how they were doing it.
I cannot believe the shop told you it was ok to leave the room full of furniture!! It isn't!!

YonWhaleFish · 17/04/2012 13:03

Also regarding the moving of furniture, I don't think it is a miscommunication offer. It is on posters in the window of the shop 'free fitting, removal of old carpet, we will move the furniture'. The last time we bought from the shop we were told we didn't need to move the furniture, and we were told the same this time.

Miscomunication between the fitters and the shop, not you!

whenskiesaregrey · 17/04/2012 13:03

Yes, I can assure that I did not swear at them. I would not do that. The fitter obviously came in on the hop, had been told to come here instead of going somewhere else, saw his arse about it, and wasn't in the mood.

OP posts:
halcyondays · 17/04/2012 13:03

I think it's the norm to clear the room yourself before the carpet fitters come, but the shop shouldn't have told you that you didn't move the furniture out, only to have the fitters complain about moving furniture. And someone should have phoned and apologised in the first place if they were going to be delayed.

MargueritaaPracatan · 17/04/2012 13:04

If removing furniture is advertised then that's what they should jolly well do.

She didn't just make it up on the day.

pictish · 17/04/2012 13:04

I think your issue is with the shop, not the fitters.

IDontWantToBeFatAnymore · 17/04/2012 13:05

Your arrangement is with the carpet shop so you need to go back to them and calmly state (you do know they won't ring you voluntarily, don't you?) that you have paid for a service, they have made promises on behalf of someone else and it hasn't benn forthcoming. How do they see this problem being resolved and then shut up.

TheEternalOptimist · 17/04/2012 13:06

The OP is NOT being U about the moving of the furniture.

It is not something the shop promised on a whim.

They ADVERTISE ON THE SHOP WINDOW.

The fitters must have known that this is a service offered by the shop, they will have gone into the shop to pick up the carpet.

If the fitters have stipulations about what can be left in the wardrobe then they should say so, and the shop should tell their customers.

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