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Help!! Carpet fitter has just stormed out. AIBU?

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whenskiesaregrey · 17/04/2012 11:51

Sorry for rambling state of this post, I am a bit upset about the way I have just been spoken to. Also, sorry for the length of the post, I just want to include all the detail.

I ordered some carpet last week to be fitted today. It is a local small carpet shop, not part of a chain. They offer a 'free fitting service', but you pay 75% of the price in the shop, and the remainder once fitted. I presume this is because they sub-contract out the fitting. In my case this was £150 in the shop, and £50 once fitted. I have bought carpet and fitting from this shop before, and the fitting service wasn't great, but they said they were using a different company that day, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt and ordered from them again. In the shop, I mentioned the problems I had had last time (punctuality, not taking old carpet away) and asked for reassurance that the service would be better this time. I was assured it would be.

Carpet was due to be delivered at 9am. At half past 9, no-one had turned up, so I rang the shop asking where they were. I was told they had has a couple of problems this morning and only had one fitter on instead of two, and they might be able to fit me in a 2pm today. I can't do that time as DS has a party 2-4pm, and I work Wed-Fri, so this morning really was the only time this week that was suitable. I explained to the man on the phone that I has problems last time, and was told it would be better this time. So he said he would move some things around, and fit me in about 10am this morning.

At 10, two men arrived to fit the carpet. In the bedroom, the furniture we had left in there was a double bed, a wardrobe, and chester of drawers and two little side units. We had been told in the shop not to worry about moving any furniture out of the room, that they would move it around the room to fit it. DH had taken the mirrored doors off the wardrobe to make it lighter to move, and we had moved all of the other usual bedroom stuff out of the room. The chest of drawers were half empty, just had underwear in them. The bed still had the bedding on it because I didn't think it would make any difference. The little side units did have things in them, but they really are very small, so I thought they be okay. I am 27+ weeks pregnant with PGP, so it is a bit difficult to move things around.

He went to the bedroom and looked around and sighed. The said, you're going to need to get those clothes out of that wardrobe. There wasn't very much in there because we are getting new wardrobes, so it was just a few things to keep us going until the new stuff arrived. I said I would move it, but it shouldn't make much different to the weight. He said if he tried to move the wardrobe, it would collapse, which I said wasn't true as we have just decorated, and have been moving the wardrobe around so we could get to the walls. But I still carried on moving the clothes. He then started opening the drawers in the chest of drawers, which have my underwear etc in. I said the drawers are almost empty, so the underwear shoudn't make any difference to the weight. He then picked up the small unit and dragged it around the room in a way that the drawers all fell forward and the unit nearly tipped up. I said to him that I would move it if he was going to move it like that, and moved the other unit out of the room. He then said 'look love, I'm doing you a favour here, I could leave you to move it by yourself if you want'. By the point, the other lad had turned the double bed up on to its side and was leaning against the window. I said to the first lad that I understood that he has obviously had a busy morning and he didn't have much patience, but I had been waiting for the delivery too. He said 'no patience?! I shouldn't even be here. I'm not staying here and taking this. Do you want me to go'. I said to him if he wanted to go, he should go, but it's his job to fit the carpet. He shouted to the other lad, 'right, we're off', stormed down the stairs and got in the van. The other lad looked a bit sheepish, and I said 'so is he just going to go, leaving the bed on its side and all the furniture like that'. I am quite obviously pregnant, and DS was playing downstairs and shouting to me, so it was obvious that I would not be able to move the furniture back. He said he would have a word with him, but once he had got in the van, they drove off. So the bedroom is left with the very heavy oak double bed on its side, a unit in the middle of the floor, and they left the door open as they stormed out.

I rang the shop and explained that I thought the fitter was very rude, and what was going to happen now. He said that they had done me a favour by moving the other appointments round to fit me in at 10am, and they were wasting time on the phone at the moment, and other appointments needed to be done. He then said it is in my best interest to be flexible with the delivery time, because I wont get my £150 deposit back, because they have ordered the carpet. I then tried to reiterate how rude the fitter had been to me. Apparently the fitter had told the lad in the shop that I refused to move anything out of the room, and that is why he left. Now, if the shop had explained to us to make sure wardrobes were empty, drawers were empty etc, then we would have done it. We told them when we ordered it it was for a bedroom, so you would know the type of furniture would be in there. But we were told that we did not need to get any furniture out of the room, the fitters would work around it.

Was I being unreasonable to the fitter? Is it true I can't get my money back on the carpet? I don't want that fitter back in the house, he really was so horrible to me. I understand he has obviously had a busy day, and I said that to him, but at the end of the day, that isn't my fault and he shouldn't take it out on me. I also don't like the suggestion from the shop that they are doing me a favour by re-arranging the delivery for me, when I have paid for a carpet and fitting, and that is what I expected.

I am pretty upset at the moment, which is probably all pregnancy hormones. I got a bit upset on the phone to the shop, so he said he would ring me back 'when I had calmed down'. So I am waiting for them to call back now. Where do I stand?

Thank you if you read this far!!

OP posts:
TheRhubarb · 17/04/2012 13:21

I would play the pregnancy card because those 2 men could clearly see that she could not lug the furniture about herself. She even asked the other man if they were going to just leave her there like that. And they did.

What did they expect her to do? Even if they had been pissed off at finding heavy furniture there, there were 2 of them capable of moving it whereas she wasn't.

He even had the cheek to say to her "look love, I'm doing you a favour here, I could leave you to move it by yourself if you want" - WHAT? He actually threatened to watch as she moved it all out herself?

And they have left her double bed up against the window on its side, I suppose she is just able to move it back is she?

Yes, I'd definitely play the pregnancy card too because that does actually make a difference in the way they treated her.

knowwhenyouhavebeenbeaten · 17/04/2012 13:22

YANBU at all BTW.

SoupDragon · 17/04/2012 13:23

"And they have left her double bed up against the window on its side, I suppose she is just able to move it back is she? "

Or she could wait for her DH to do it. It's not like she is alone.

TheEternalOptimist · 17/04/2012 13:24

The point is Amber, that the OP bought from this shop that offered delivery, moving of furniture and removal of old carpet.

What YOU would do when buying a carpet has absolutely no relevance to this thread.

And it is not "common sense" to remove everything yourself - I certainly would have taken up the offer or moving everything if I had the choice.

CointreauVersial · 17/04/2012 13:26

I suspect the fitters were as pee'd off with the shop as they were with you. They've probably been cajoled into fitting in a little extra job which they really didn't have time for, then turned up to find a room full of furniture that they didn't expect. Unfortunately you copped all the rudeness because you were the only person there. No excuse, though!

You possibly precipitated this by being inflexible about the change in delivery date/time and then (as others have said) not really making an effort to empty most of the furniture.

Still unacceptable service, though. You argument is entirely with the shop - you are their customer. They need to provide you with the carpet and an acceptable fitter, or give you a full refund.

TheEternalOptimist · 17/04/2012 13:26

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Yes, she could have her husband move it back. But the service was included in the price of the carpet. Why should he have to shift furniture about, when it should have been done by the fitter?

takingiteasy · 17/04/2012 13:26

Did I miss the point in the thread where it went from the OP being told by the salesman not to worry about moving the furniture to is being advertised in the window?

TheEternalOptimist · 17/04/2012 13:27

Takingiteasy

The OP said it earlier:

whenskiesaregrey Tue 17-Apr-12 12:59:37

Also regarding the moving of furniture, I don't think it is a miscommunication offer. It is on posters in the window of the shop 'free fitting, removal of old carpet, we will move the furniture'. The last time we bought from the shop we were told we didn't need to move the furniture, and we were told the same this time.

SoftKittyWarmKitty · 17/04/2012 13:28

I'd also take a photo of the poster in the window if I were you, in case you have to take this further and they take it down then deny they ever offered furniture moving services. Make sure you do a readable close up and a long shot that shows the poster and shop name fascia.

redlac · 17/04/2012 13:29

I think it is common sense to remove as much as you can! Why would you want to have strangers move all your drawers and stuff for you? Even though the shop said 'we move furniture' I would still empty the wardrobes, drawers etc and at least take the bedding and mattress of the bed.

GardeniaBallpoint · 17/04/2012 13:29

"Or she could wait for her DH to do it. It's not like she is alone."

That's not really the point though is it? Anyway her DH might have been away for a few days or something.

Catsdontcare · 17/04/2012 13:30

Sorry but your description of how you thought they would lift the bed to fit the carpet made me snort!

They shouldn't have spoken to you that way and I am shocked that the shop is being crap about it too

AmberLeaf · 17/04/2012 13:30

Well it is the point as some are advising her to play the poor pregnant woman card.

BarryStar · 17/04/2012 13:31

I can't really understand why anyone is giving the op a hard time.

Someone upthread said:

Carpet fitters fit carpets they don't move your furniture around unless you have specifically agreed and paid for it

But the op did specifically agree this, albeit with the shop and not the fitters. It's not op's fault that the shop should have communicated with the fitters, and seemingly failed to do so. Shop should be bending over backwards to rectify their mistake IMO.

And how is the shop doing op a favour? She's bought and paid for the carpet, she was told delivery would be at 9am, delivery was late, not her fault someone is off sick.

Op's husband had begun to remove furniture, op herself tried to move some once fitters complained. Op is pregnant, has small child on the premises, is confronted by two surly men - yet is in the wrong?

GardeniaBallpoint · 17/04/2012 13:33

No the point is that they shouldn't have left the bed on its side. The fact that she has a DH who could put it back again - at some unspecified time - is not the point.

MargueritaaPracatan · 17/04/2012 13:34

redlac. When you move house not only do you have strangers moving your furniture/drawers, whatever, but shock of shocks, some people (me) pay for a packing service too. I'd have absolutely NO problem at all with a stranger moving my furniture, as advertised, and after I'd specifically asked about the service, how bizarre that you do, most people don't.

Tryingtogetairbourne · 17/04/2012 13:36

YANBU

Regardless of other peoples experiences, the man said that you did not need to move furniture. ANd I'm sure you would have if they had asked it of you.

THe way you were spoken too was unacceptable.

Complain, get the carpet you have paid for and get polite respectful carpet fitters in who want to do a good job and make they it perfectly clear if they need the room empty.

ANd you are pregnant with young child...Angry on your behalf. Not surprised your unhappy.

TheRhubarb · 17/04/2012 13:36

IF a shop advertised and told its customers that carpets could be fitted around furniture, how many of you would be bothered to empty your rooms?

Her dh did take most of the heavy items out, leaving behind a wardrobe without doors, their bed (which presumably would have been difficult to move first thing in the morning without dismantling it), a chest of drawers half emptied and two small side units.

I'd like to know just how they expected you to move the double bed anyway? Ours would have to come apart. So if they are advertising carpet fitting around furniture, surely most people would leave the beds where they were?

She was already helping to move the side units and took out the few clothes from the wardrobe.

There was absolutely NO NEED for them to be rude to her.

She had booked a 9am appointment. Presumably if she had not phoned they just would not have turned up until later that afternoon - is that acceptable? That she had to phone to find out where they were?

Is it also acceptable that they were doing her a FAVOUR in turning up an hour late because they were fully booked? THEY TOOK THE BOOKING FOR 9AM AND FAILED TO LET HER KNOW IN ADVANCE THAT THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT! How on earth people can say that she is inflexible because of this is beyond me!

Trust me OP, if the other posters had been treated like this, they too would be the first to complain. That shop did you no favours at all, unless you call not being told they were going to miss the appointment a favour.

Have you told your dh about this yet?

Tryingtogetairbourne · 17/04/2012 13:37

and what theeternaloptimist said. Spot on.

AmberLeaf · 17/04/2012 13:39

IF a shop advertised and told its customers that carpets could be fitted around furniture, how many of you would be bothered to empty your rooms

Me, because I know that it would be a better job if done with no stuff in the room.

CaptainVonTrapp · 17/04/2012 13:40

YANBU.

Anyone who thinks you should move furniture out when you have been told you don't need to as this is part of the service is BU (or thick).

You can get your money back on a debit card too. This is 'chargeback' www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/sale-of-goods/your-rights-when-paying-by-credit-card/chargeback-on-credit-and-debit-cards/

Get the carpet. Get it fitted separately. We paid £40 for a medium size room.

The fitters were rude. The shop told you the wrong thing or perhaps more likely didn't give the fitters the correct info.

whomovedmychocolate · 17/04/2012 13:40

FWIW I have had carpets fitted three times in the last two months - once they were late but very apologetic and once they fucked up - a bit - but I did point out their legal obligations and they very quickly came round to my point of view. You just have to be firm. The question is not 'why did this happen' but 'how are you going to put this right so you complete your end of the contract I have made with you Mr Carpet shop'.

TheEternalOptimist · 17/04/2012 13:40

Well, that is you, Amber. If you are ever in this situation, then you will handle it differently.

The OP is being made to feel bad, being told she is lacking in common sense, and that is really unfair. I sense that this thread is making her feel even worse than she did this morning.

redlac · 17/04/2012 13:41

Marguerita - I meant that why would you leave something as easy as removing some drawers to workmen? I have no problem with removal men and packing services I just think I would rather do what I could to make the process of fitting a carpet as simple and quick as possible. They are carpet fitters not removal men and as i posted previously I am sure that they expect to move beds, wardrobes but they prefer them to be empty and unmattressed

amicissimma · 17/04/2012 13:42

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