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Help!! Carpet fitter has just stormed out. AIBU?

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whenskiesaregrey · 17/04/2012 11:51

Sorry for rambling state of this post, I am a bit upset about the way I have just been spoken to. Also, sorry for the length of the post, I just want to include all the detail.

I ordered some carpet last week to be fitted today. It is a local small carpet shop, not part of a chain. They offer a 'free fitting service', but you pay 75% of the price in the shop, and the remainder once fitted. I presume this is because they sub-contract out the fitting. In my case this was £150 in the shop, and £50 once fitted. I have bought carpet and fitting from this shop before, and the fitting service wasn't great, but they said they were using a different company that day, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt and ordered from them again. In the shop, I mentioned the problems I had had last time (punctuality, not taking old carpet away) and asked for reassurance that the service would be better this time. I was assured it would be.

Carpet was due to be delivered at 9am. At half past 9, no-one had turned up, so I rang the shop asking where they were. I was told they had has a couple of problems this morning and only had one fitter on instead of two, and they might be able to fit me in a 2pm today. I can't do that time as DS has a party 2-4pm, and I work Wed-Fri, so this morning really was the only time this week that was suitable. I explained to the man on the phone that I has problems last time, and was told it would be better this time. So he said he would move some things around, and fit me in about 10am this morning.

At 10, two men arrived to fit the carpet. In the bedroom, the furniture we had left in there was a double bed, a wardrobe, and chester of drawers and two little side units. We had been told in the shop not to worry about moving any furniture out of the room, that they would move it around the room to fit it. DH had taken the mirrored doors off the wardrobe to make it lighter to move, and we had moved all of the other usual bedroom stuff out of the room. The chest of drawers were half empty, just had underwear in them. The bed still had the bedding on it because I didn't think it would make any difference. The little side units did have things in them, but they really are very small, so I thought they be okay. I am 27+ weeks pregnant with PGP, so it is a bit difficult to move things around.

He went to the bedroom and looked around and sighed. The said, you're going to need to get those clothes out of that wardrobe. There wasn't very much in there because we are getting new wardrobes, so it was just a few things to keep us going until the new stuff arrived. I said I would move it, but it shouldn't make much different to the weight. He said if he tried to move the wardrobe, it would collapse, which I said wasn't true as we have just decorated, and have been moving the wardrobe around so we could get to the walls. But I still carried on moving the clothes. He then started opening the drawers in the chest of drawers, which have my underwear etc in. I said the drawers are almost empty, so the underwear shoudn't make any difference to the weight. He then picked up the small unit and dragged it around the room in a way that the drawers all fell forward and the unit nearly tipped up. I said to him that I would move it if he was going to move it like that, and moved the other unit out of the room. He then said 'look love, I'm doing you a favour here, I could leave you to move it by yourself if you want'. By the point, the other lad had turned the double bed up on to its side and was leaning against the window. I said to the first lad that I understood that he has obviously had a busy morning and he didn't have much patience, but I had been waiting for the delivery too. He said 'no patience?! I shouldn't even be here. I'm not staying here and taking this. Do you want me to go'. I said to him if he wanted to go, he should go, but it's his job to fit the carpet. He shouted to the other lad, 'right, we're off', stormed down the stairs and got in the van. The other lad looked a bit sheepish, and I said 'so is he just going to go, leaving the bed on its side and all the furniture like that'. I am quite obviously pregnant, and DS was playing downstairs and shouting to me, so it was obvious that I would not be able to move the furniture back. He said he would have a word with him, but once he had got in the van, they drove off. So the bedroom is left with the very heavy oak double bed on its side, a unit in the middle of the floor, and they left the door open as they stormed out.

I rang the shop and explained that I thought the fitter was very rude, and what was going to happen now. He said that they had done me a favour by moving the other appointments round to fit me in at 10am, and they were wasting time on the phone at the moment, and other appointments needed to be done. He then said it is in my best interest to be flexible with the delivery time, because I wont get my £150 deposit back, because they have ordered the carpet. I then tried to reiterate how rude the fitter had been to me. Apparently the fitter had told the lad in the shop that I refused to move anything out of the room, and that is why he left. Now, if the shop had explained to us to make sure wardrobes were empty, drawers were empty etc, then we would have done it. We told them when we ordered it it was for a bedroom, so you would know the type of furniture would be in there. But we were told that we did not need to get any furniture out of the room, the fitters would work around it.

Was I being unreasonable to the fitter? Is it true I can't get my money back on the carpet? I don't want that fitter back in the house, he really was so horrible to me. I understand he has obviously had a busy day, and I said that to him, but at the end of the day, that isn't my fault and he shouldn't take it out on me. I also don't like the suggestion from the shop that they are doing me a favour by re-arranging the delivery for me, when I have paid for a carpet and fitting, and that is what I expected.

I am pretty upset at the moment, which is probably all pregnancy hormones. I got a bit upset on the phone to the shop, so he said he would ring me back 'when I had calmed down'. So I am waiting for them to call back now. Where do I stand?

Thank you if you read this far!!

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surroundedbyblondes · 17/04/2012 12:34

What the hell, there is no reason to be so rude to a customer in their own home. Mistakes happen but there's no need for him to resort to being so aggressive and childish. I think the suggestion that you get your carpet and have it fitted by another firm is the best one. I am also v emotional in such situations and have no pg hormones to blame it on! Have a cup of tea, play with DS and let the dust settle a bit, then get on the phone later when you are feeling calmer. Or get DH to call. Try not to let it upset you too much. And have a hug from me

blubberyboo · 17/04/2012 12:37

how much would you have to pay if you had originally refused their fitting service?

you may have to make up the rest of the money to get the carpet delivered depending on what it says in the small print of the delivery arrangements

as they did not remove the carpet from the van I would argue that they have failed to attempt delivery and as they have missed their delivery time you want a refund.

sallymonella · 17/04/2012 12:39

No wonder some businesses fail! I can't believe that the shop spoke to you in that way on the phone... Phone you back when you've calmed down? That in itself would be like a red rag to a bull with me, could he have been anymore patronising?

I'm now angry on your behalf!

fedupofnamechanging · 17/04/2012 12:39

They very clearly haven't provided the service that they advertise and that you agreed to. I would phone them and say

a)delivery was promised for 9am. They are not doing me a favour by turning up at 10am - they are actually late at that point.
b)They are advertising that they move furniture - it was on this basis that you purchased the carpet. For their fitter to refuse to do so, means they have sold under false pretences.

Tell them you want a refund and if they don't provide one, then you will be contacting trading standards.

I wouldn't just take the carpet and then get another fitter - the cost of the 'free' fitting has been factored into the price you've paid. If you take the carpet, you will be paying over the odds for it, if you then have to pay for a fitter.

MissFaversham · 17/04/2012 12:39

Hi OP I work for a flooring firm and yes they should have told to empty all the furniture, we move only "large emptied items" the other smaller things should have been removed.

As for free fitting - there is absolutely no such thing! Imagine if I said to my fitters, oy you lot I'm having a sale and you have to fit for free for a couple of weeks Confused.

Yes, you do have to pay for the goods as the carpet would have been cut at the manufacturers, they can however send it back but there will be a fee which they would pass on to you.

They do sound rather rude but to be honest you don't sound much better Sad

Bambino81 · 17/04/2012 12:40

I would do what others have suggested and get the carpet delivered then py someone t fit it, you can get a fitter fairly cheap. i bet if you look in your local paper you'll find someone that does it.

When i first moved to my house we had the carpets done by a big chin company and they were brill, then we got 2 rooms redone a few years later and went to the same company.

My mum came and waiting with me when they came to fit it and he did kinda the same thing as your guy, walked into the room, huffed that needed to move the few bits we had left in there (didnt have to last time they fitted aroud the stuff) told me to move it then went and sat in his van while me and my mum moved it all out!

I think they're lazy shits who try and get away with lifting the heavy stuff.

Make a fomal complaint, or if you still want them to fit it, make sure DH is there next time and don't take any of their poo.

GardeniaBallpoint · 17/04/2012 12:41

If the shop specifically said not to move any furniture, then the fitters can't complain and say they're 'doing you a favour' by moving it, even if it's more furniture than they would have liked. It sounds like they are sub-contractors, but even so that is not your problem, the shop should be communicating clearly to the fitters what service has been 'sold', and if that includes furniture removal then that's what it includes.

They also behaved unprofessionally by storming out without at least putting things back. If the amount of furniture was a problem, they could have just calmly said so and arranged an alternative solution.

btw the big chains subcontract fitters too. The one and only time I've had new carpet fitted, we used a big chain. The fitter turned up and said 'didn't they tell you you had to take the old one up before we arrived?' They definitely hadn't told us that, or we would have happily taken it up (it was only a small area). He said 'yeah, we get this problem all the time, they're just interested in selling the carpet'. But he was very sweet and got on with taking it up and didn't charge any extra.

redlac · 17/04/2012 12:41

"I think they're lazy shits who try and get away with lifting the heavy stuff."

They are carpet fitters not removal men!

Groovee · 17/04/2012 12:41

You should have emptied the room fully, That's what I've always been told and then they come in and lay the new carpet. What if one of them had hurt themselves moving your stuff? They'd be able to have a claim against you.

eurochick · 17/04/2012 12:42

I'm 50/50 on this. I think the fitters were unprofessional but the furniture should have been emptied and the quilt and pillows taken off the bed. It's just common sense that it is easier to move e.g. a chest of drawers with the drawers lifted out than with them sliding open while you are trying to move it. I wouldn't dream of having any kind of decorator or carpet fitter in without doing that.

BTW, I speak from a position of quite some experience as I worked in a carpet shop for several years when I was a student. Our standard OP was to ask people to move what they could themselves and then empty out larger furniture items so the fitters could move them around. We did have fitters leave jobs where this was not done. They need access to the floor to do the job. The OP was not giving them that!

MadameMessy · 17/04/2012 12:42

YABU.
Get your money back and go somewhere else since you're obviously not happy with them. When you are getting your new carpets, clear the bloody room out.
You sound like a real PITA to me, and I think you were being rude by leaving all your stuff in the room and just expecting the fitters to get on with it. Just because you don't think it will will make a difference doesn't mean that.
Do you work? If so, you'll probably know how irritating and patronising it is when people who don't do your job tell you how to do your job.

ginnybag · 17/04/2012 12:42

Yes, a carpet fitter is there to fit carpets, but the OP, who is the customer, had asked and been told she didn't need to. As in we (the shop) send out our fitters expecting them to do this and supply them with a second man (which it seems they do) to help them so this.

There may have been miscommunication, but that's not the OP's fault.

When faced with this, the fitter may have been exasperated - and I can imagine he was - but again, OP is just following her instructions.

In an ideal world, she would have rung the shop whilst he was there, and sorted it out all three of them together, but there's no excuse for the fitter to have been so rude, and even less for leaving a pregnant woman and a toddler with that mess.

As for 'you've paid a deposit'... no, you've paid for a carpet. Tell them you'll go in and give them the other £50, after you're carpet arrives, and get yourself another fitter.

MargueritaaPracatan · 17/04/2012 12:43

I don'tthink the OP sounds at all rude. This was her own home, she was bullshitted at some point along the line with the carpet shop over promising, they were late, they were really rude and stormed out.

Clear cut case for them being crap, I'd say!

fedupofnamechanging · 17/04/2012 12:43

Some of you are missing the point - she was told not to empty the room. Fair enough for the fitters to refuse to move furniture if the OP had been told to empty the room and just hadn't bothered, but she asked specifically and was told the fitters would move the furniture.

The shop has sold under false pretences.

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BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 17/04/2012 12:44

I think they're lazy shits who try and get away with lifting the heavy stuff

Rubbish- they sound like frustrated fitters who happen to be subbed out to do a job where the shop has promised the customer a most ridiculous thing.

My DH is a builder/decorator - he always puts on his estimates that the room is to be clear before the job starts.........the amount of times he goes in and things are still in the same place - sometimes you know, it is the customer who is a bit lazy and wants to get away with lifting the heavy stuff. Not you OP as the shop told you it wasnt a problem but really, its not the fitters fault!

DowagersHump · 17/04/2012 12:45

It doesn't matter what is 'normal. The fact is that the shop which is who the OP has the contract with told her she didn't need to move any furniture. And then the bloke got cross because there was furniture there. And was an hour late!

It's not remotely the OP's fault - the shop should communicate better with their fitters - it's irrelevant whether they use subcontractors or not. If they are promising to move furniture and remove old carpet as part of their service, then that's what they do. It's called added value.

OP - I would call the shop and say you either want a full refund or the carpet delivered and you will arrange for another fitter to come.

redlac · 17/04/2012 12:45

yes they were rude but a bit of common sense should have came in to play here - if she didn't want anyone looking in her underwear drawer she should have emptied all the drawers out the unit, removed the smaller units etc. I am sure that the fitters are accustomed to moving round empty wardrobes and beds but at least give them a hand by moving everything you can out

blubberyboo · 17/04/2012 12:46

she can hardly pay for goods that she hasn't yet received - he did not give the carpet to her and he took the underlay back. they were advertised that you only pay the other 25% once fitted. If they are not prepared to come back and fit it then they should give her the carpet at the £150 she has already paid or give a refund

you could just take it and get your DH to fit it himself - as its a bedroom it won't matter if it isn't perfect but if they make you pay the £200 to get it I would be making it clear that you will be spreading it areound town about their shoddy service. The shop is a fault here for not giving correct instructions

fluffiphlox · 17/04/2012 12:46

I think you should have moved the furniture beforehand. We always have, as it means they can be in and out quickly and you have an opportunity to have a clear out and a thorough clean of the backs of the furniture. It doesn't sound like a very big area and I wouldn't have expected a very good finish if they had to work around furniture in situ. Having said that, he sounds like a bit of an oaf. I had someone deliver some bathroom stuff once who got a bit arsey because he thought I was asking him to move something (I wasn't). I just mustered my best Margot Leadbetter and told him off. He was quiet after that. ( And his oppo looked fairly sheepish throughout). This type would probably not have spoken to a man like that. Let's hope he has a very unhappy home life.:)

DowagersHump · 17/04/2012 12:46

I cannot believe some of the replies on this thread Hmm

Christ, no wonder we have such piss poor service in this country

Lovecat · 17/04/2012 12:46
MargueritaaPracatan · 17/04/2012 12:47

The fitters stormed out, if they have a problem they need to take it up with the shop, not storm out like petulant toddlers. Op is the paying customer here.

Where has decent customer service gone?

TheRhubarb · 17/04/2012 12:48

When you spoke to the shop about moving furniture, can you remember who you spoke to?
If you can, then phone back and ask to speak to the manager. Explain the conversation you had about the furniture and who it was with. Then further explain that you had been booked in at 9am and you were not available in the afternoon due to a party. If they had too many bookings that day and were a man short, that is not your problem.

Regardless of "he said, she said", you were given a reassurance by the shop that you did not need to move all of the furniture out (although just for future reference it is best to do this if you can as it makes their job easier and the fitting quicker). You know the person you spoke to about this and presumably can either name them or point them out.

Under no circumstances should the men have driven off with the carpet. They are meant to be professional carpet fitters. You did not swear at them, you did not threaten them, so even if they felt aggrieved, they should never have driven off with your carpet. They are two burly men and you are an obviously pregnant female with a child in the house, they have absolutely no excuse for leaving.

If you do not get anywhere with the manager then politely inform him/her that you will make a complaint to trading standards and that you expect a full refund for the carpet as is your right to do so.

Be calm, be reasonable and just state the facts as they are. If the manager makes excuses then simply repeat the facts.

It's an inexcusable way to treat customers.

redlac · 17/04/2012 12:49

lovecat - there is moving furniture (unmattressed bed, empty carcass of drawers, etc) and there is taking the piss! Like I said a bit of common sense wouldn't have hurt in this situation

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