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"This is a crisis for everyone": How you can support midwives ahead of Sunday's March for Midwives

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JuliaMumsnet · 16/11/2021 16:14

Hello - here's something from March for Midwives (scroll down for what you can do and tell us below if you're getting involved):

"Four weeks ago four doulas were lying in bed on a Sunday morning having a whatsapp conversation about how hopeless we all felt about the state of maternity care. A Royal College of Midwives (RCM) report last month revealed that 60% of UK midwives are considering leaving the profession, and sadly none of us were surprised. We all had stories to share of midwives in tears and birthing families neglected or coerced through their maternity journey.

One of us, Paula Cleary, who lives in March in Cambridgeshire, said that she was considering having a ‘March in March’ to protest against the understaffing in her local hospital. The rest of us all responded that this needed to be everywhere because this is a nationwide issue!

So March With Midwives was born that morning. Becki Scott set up a Facebook group and we all invited our birthworker friends. It grew rapidly, to over a 1000 people that first week.

We quickly realised this was tapping into the zeitgeist. Maternity workers and families were joining the group in droves, anxious to share their stories. The group became an emotional maelstrom as midwives and parents shared their trauma and sadness. We realised these voices needed to be captured so that the powers that be could really understand the depths of the crisis. So we set up an online form for service users and health professionals to write about how the staffing crisis has affected them, either anonymously or with their name.

We rapidly realised we needed help. The group was growing exponentially and we were inundated with people asking us for guidance on all number of things - are midwives allowed to attend? What is the RCM and NMC saying? How do we risk-assess a local demonstration? Do we need insurance and do we need to alert the police? (All questions we have answers to in the group now - just check our announcements and shared files).

We gathered a steering group around us of fellow doulas and midwives. We knew we needed a diverse group that represented parents, lay birth workers, NHS midwives and independent midwives. And, given the outrageous statistics on increased risk of maternal death for Black and Brown mothers and birthing people, we were also determined to include people from marginalised communities so that their voices could be amplified.

We realised we had an opportunity here to gather a diverse range of maternity voices under one banner, so we embarked on writing a manifesto summing up the issues and calling for some simple, emergency crisis management measures.

We also wrote a template letter for people to send to their MPs. We called for everyone to stand up around the country on the same day, at the same time, and called these gatherings vigils, to underscore the deep grief so many of us feel at the broken state of maternity services.

Meanwhile, the group grew. And grew. At the time of writing the facebook group contains nearly 20,000 people. Our Facebook, Twitter and Instagram pages are growing by the day. Our inboxes are flooded with people sharing their stories and wanting to help. A handful of distressed doulas has grown into a grassroots movement with real momentum.

So what exactly is up with the service? To cut a long story short, we quite simply do not have enough of anything - too few midwives, too few beds, not enough resources or time, which leads to not enough energy or compassion for the families needing support. The result? Parents that are damaged by either too much medical intervention or, conversely, falling through the cracks and not receiving the medical care they need. Those of us working with families in the postnatal period were not surprised when research found that up to a third of mothers/birthing people have symptoms of trauma.

As Elsie Gayle, experienced midwife, says, "The inevitability of the 'shoehorning' of maternity care into structures that continue to cause the systematic erasure of midwives, avoidable damage, deaths and long term trauma to families. It pains me to watch British maternity care diminish to its lowest point ever in the pursuit of the economies of scale."

Burned out midwives are abandoning the wrecked ship in droves; physical and mental health in tatters. Recent research found that midwives are increasingly suffering with PTSD. Urinary tract infections are common because they have no time to go to the toilet and they’re often not drinking on shift to reduce the urge to go. The pandemic has merely exposed an existing crisis in staffing and worsened staff retention. Meanwhile, students are also leaving their courses before graduation or shortly after qualifying, as the work conditions are so horrific. This means that the Government’s assurances that many new midwives are being trained is simply not the solution.

This isn’t a looming crisis. We have known about the staffing issues for years. The stuff has now well and truly hit the fan and we urgently need the voices of parents, midwives and doulas to be heard by the government. This is a crisis that affects everyone. We all have loved ones using this service and potentially carrying the ripple effects of trauma into the rest of their lives.

If you want to get involved, this is what you can do:

  • Join the March With Midwives Facebook group
  • Repost our Twitter and Instagram content
  • Make a 30 second video about why you support the campaign and post it with the hashtag #MarchWithMidwives
  • Write to your MP
  • If you can, find your local vigil (there is a map in the announcements in the Facebook group) and come join us on Sunday 21st November at 2pm

Together, we can amplify the voice of those who are so often silenced."

"This is a crisis for everyone": How you can support midwives ahead of Sunday's March for Midwives
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2319inprogress · 20/11/2021 14:01

I really want to support this movement, but the language undermines my trust.
This from endofagain is exactly where I am.

The mother baby dyad should be absolutely central & yet aren't even mentioned.

Flowers to everywoman who has posted her story I'm sorry you were let down.

Wildheartsease · 20/11/2021 14:03

@wherethewildthingis

I agree with other posters, I had a terrible, traumatic birth which was pretty much entirely due to not being listened to by midwives. That was not about lack of resources, there were loads of them there but they just did not listen and because of that, I almost died. And this thread just makes me feel the same about a profession which seems determined not to listen to the very people it should serve. I said "I am in so much pain this really doesn't feel right, something is wrong". They said "no you're not even in labour, you're making a fuss about nothing."

We say "when you use the term birthing people, or refuse to say the word mother, you make us feel ignored, marginalised and disempowered"
They say "no that's not true, you are wrong, we are just being kind".

This is an important matter. 'Mothers' and 'women' could be called upon for their support. Try it.

Erasing us with un-names (without our consent) isn't kind or inclusive. Please listen!

I agree with supporting midwives
(and and am glad you didn't call them mid-husbands or mid-persons)
This sounds an urgent matter.

As in the post above though, I was distracted by the omission of words that include those of us who give birth and are cared for by 'maternity' services (not paternity services or birthing-people services).

RedDogsBeg · 20/11/2021 14:04

You've summed it up perfectly. The dismissal of our concerns about language demonstrates perfectly the way so many of us have been fobbed off when voicing concerns about our own bodies and care by midwives. Some of them really do carry this "oh do be quiet dear" attitude. It starts with seemingly innocuous things like language, but bleeds into the rest of the profession to the point where women and mother's (let's name the group affected) suffer from sub par care because we're so easily dismissed.

Thank you flamingnerd. The standard of maternity care is a scandal and it has been so for a very long time. Of all the many, many women I know who have given birth the number of horrendous stories far, far outweigh the number of positive stories. Midwives need to own up to how their attitude towards women and mothers has played a part in this. As demonstrated by the responses on this thread they won't, they refuse point blank to listen to women, become defensive, dismissive and disrespectful then expect women and mothers to offer them unconditional support, which just proves the point women and mothers on here are making.

Wildheartsease · 20/11/2021 14:29

@Izzy24

I really hope people will get involved with this.

I started a thread about it yesterday but hardly anyone seems bothered.

Izzy

The facebook front page has INCLUSIVE (in shouty capitals... suggesting that many will feel excluded and will be shouted down) and 'hate-speech' and 'zero-tolerance' but not 'Mothers' and 'Women'.

This is really off-putting and seems to be offering fights on different fronts.

The subject it is intended to draw attention to would be important to many of us on here.

Interrobanger · 20/11/2021 14:36

Your woke virtue-signalling has unfortunately deflected from your core message.

The feelings of a minuscule minority have been given centre-stage again. To the detriment of women. Again.

CharlieParley · 20/11/2021 14:51

It seems so sad that such a women centred topic hasn't had the reaction I thought it would and should have achieved on this site.

The language used in your campaign is dehumanising and offensive. It doesn't centre women. You keep talking about people and birthing families instead.

If you cannot centre women and mothers when that's 100% of the "service users" you are helping to give birth, you cannot expect a popular upswelling of support. Most of us don't even understand what you're on about when you don't talk about us in clear, easily comprehensible language.

There's a reason midwifery services are underfunded, and we all know that's not because of our identities. It's rooted in the way that women's healthcare has been treated as a secondary matter. Including pregnancy and maternity care. Because we are female.

And we're not all steeped in an ideology inimical to the rights of women and girls.

Choose what matters more to you - pregnant women or an ideology that denies the material reality of sex and its importance for women's lives. You cannot do both.

NovemberNovemberDarkNights · 20/11/2021 14:53

@Somebodylikeyew

Your poster doesn’t centre women. Your language doesn’t centre women. And sadly, there are hundreds of threads on here about damage women have suffered due to not being centred in modern midwifery culture.

People on this thread have given you feedback and you’ve been defensive rather than listening. Once again, sadly there are hundreds of women here who have been damaged by midwives who didn’t listen.

I do wish you well. But i can also see why this hasn’t resulted in the groundswell of support you had hoped amongst this particular audience of WOMEN.

@Somebodylikeyew

So well said, I'm not going to attempt to say it any differently.

Sittinginthesand · 20/11/2021 14:55

People’s attention would be got by focusing on the risk to expectant mothers and newborn babies rather than midwives’ working conditions. People just aren’t that interested (rightly or wrongly) in what can come across as other people moaning about their jobs. People would be horrified by the terrible experiences of women in labour wards - and that would be more likely to get picked up by the press.

And your language needs to be clear and simple with a clear and achievable aim (eg reduce maternal mortality or stillbirths) and the way we achieve that (better midwifery services) is the secondary message.

Your language needs to be inclusive- that means that everyone needs to be able to understand it even if they don’t have very high literacy levels. Many, many people don’t know what phrases like ‘birthing person’ even means - it could be interpreted to mean a midwife. It’s niche language and excludes people with lower literacy levels, non English speakers, and people who just haven’t encountered it before. It dilutes your message and is a pointless distraction.

RedDogsBeg · 20/11/2021 14:55

@Interrobanger

Your woke virtue-signalling has unfortunately deflected from your core message.

The feelings of a minuscule minority have been given centre-stage again. To the detriment of women. Again.

Not only the woke virtue signalling but the complete dismissal and disregard for women's objections to it and then adding in the remonstration to be kind, notable how this kindness and listening only ever flows one way.

Gold star for one of the worst PR Campaigns on record, Gerald Ratner would be proud.

NovemberNovemberDarkNights · 20/11/2021 14:57

@DinoDinner

Birthing people!! I won't be supporting until you know what a woman and mother is.

If this profession of all professions can't say mother then we've had it!

Absolutely.
FelicityBob · 20/11/2021 15:03

On behalf of every midwife I know, none of us in maternity like these “inclusive terms”. They have come from the people above us. Please don’t think that midwives want to use these terms, they don’t.

Meandmini3 · 20/11/2021 15:05

Glad to hear it. Language matters. Do women matter?

Sittinginthesand · 20/11/2021 15:07

Felicity - so don’t use them! Some midwives clearly do because the March for midwives campaign uses these terms and is written by midwives not people ‘from above’.

Flapjak · 20/11/2021 15:09

I dont know how they have the audacity to call themselves MIDWIVES whilst referring to white women as birthing people. Shouldnt they rename themselves as midpeople as no transman or non binary would want to be a wife?

NovemberNovemberDarkNights · 20/11/2021 15:13

@RedDogsBeg

If language doesn't matter, why are some people trying so hard to change it!?

Precisely.

As usual the response is language doesn't matter, oh but it does matter to a miniscule percentage of people so we are changing it and being kind to them, the overwhelming majority who don't like it and find it unkind to them, well, I/we don't give a fuck, those complaining are only women and mothers and they don't matter or count and therefore we don't listen to them, I mean why would we?

Mind boggling isn't it, that they STILL don't get it!! FFS
RedDogsBeg · 20/11/2021 15:13

@FelicityBob

On behalf of every midwife I know, none of us in maternity like these “inclusive terms”. They have come from the people above us. Please don’t think that midwives want to use these terms, they don’t.
So refuse to use them, stand up for the women who use your services, you are going along with the language used by the March for Midwives Campaign you are therefore as complicit as they are.
AnotherEmma · 20/11/2021 15:13

@Sittinginthesand

People’s attention would be got by focusing on the risk to expectant mothers and newborn babies rather than midwives’ working conditions. People just aren’t that interested (rightly or wrongly) in what can come across as other people moaning about their jobs. People would be horrified by the terrible experiences of women in labour wards - and that would be more likely to get picked up by the press.

And your language needs to be clear and simple with a clear and achievable aim (eg reduce maternal mortality or stillbirths) and the way we achieve that (better midwifery services) is the secondary message.

Your language needs to be inclusive- that means that everyone needs to be able to understand it even if they don’t have very high literacy levels. Many, many people don’t know what phrases like ‘birthing person’ even means - it could be interpreted to mean a midwife. It’s niche language and excludes people with lower literacy levels, non English speakers, and people who just haven’t encountered it before. It dilutes your message and is a pointless distraction.

Agree with all this.
AnotherEmma · 20/11/2021 15:15

@Sittinginthesand

Felicity - so don’t use them! Some midwives clearly do because the March for midwives campaign uses these terms and is written by midwives not people ‘from above’.
It's written by doulas, not midwives.
FelicityBob · 20/11/2021 15:17

I don’t know any midwife who uses these terms except management.
As above, it’s written by doulas not midwives

Sittinginthesand · 20/11/2021 15:18

Another - it says they have a steering group of doulas and midwives.

Sittinginthesand · 20/11/2021 15:20

Why are doulas campaigning for midwives? This makes no sense! Why aren’t they campaigning for mothers and babies? Babies don’t even seem to be a consideration. It’s baffling.

RadishRose · 20/11/2021 15:22

My mum gave birth to me over 50 years ago and was told off by her midwife for “making too much noise”. Seems like midwives still don’t like women speaking up for themselves.

WheresMyCycle · 20/11/2021 15:24

Was all for it until I realised they don't support "women" and "mothers" Hmm ffs

WheresMyCycle · 20/11/2021 15:24

Effing ridiculous

Madhairday · 20/11/2021 15:29

I'm sorry but I wouldn't support this group because of the erasing language and then your snippy response. You talk about listening but then write women's concerns off as 'boring.' and sadly this reflects many women's experiences of maternity services. It certainly wasn't my husband's trauma caused by midwives who refused to listen to me and so I almost ended up dying with a haemotoma after I gave birth and a midwife stictched it into me. I was just making a fuss, apparently dear. And that's the language I'm hearing here, too. How sad.

Language matters. Women matter.