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"This is a crisis for everyone": How you can support midwives ahead of Sunday's March for Midwives

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JuliaMumsnet · 16/11/2021 16:14

Hello - here's something from March for Midwives (scroll down for what you can do and tell us below if you're getting involved):

"Four weeks ago four doulas were lying in bed on a Sunday morning having a whatsapp conversation about how hopeless we all felt about the state of maternity care. A Royal College of Midwives (RCM) report last month revealed that 60% of UK midwives are considering leaving the profession, and sadly none of us were surprised. We all had stories to share of midwives in tears and birthing families neglected or coerced through their maternity journey.

One of us, Paula Cleary, who lives in March in Cambridgeshire, said that she was considering having a ‘March in March’ to protest against the understaffing in her local hospital. The rest of us all responded that this needed to be everywhere because this is a nationwide issue!

So March With Midwives was born that morning. Becki Scott set up a Facebook group and we all invited our birthworker friends. It grew rapidly, to over a 1000 people that first week.

We quickly realised this was tapping into the zeitgeist. Maternity workers and families were joining the group in droves, anxious to share their stories. The group became an emotional maelstrom as midwives and parents shared their trauma and sadness. We realised these voices needed to be captured so that the powers that be could really understand the depths of the crisis. So we set up an online form for service users and health professionals to write about how the staffing crisis has affected them, either anonymously or with their name.

We rapidly realised we needed help. The group was growing exponentially and we were inundated with people asking us for guidance on all number of things - are midwives allowed to attend? What is the RCM and NMC saying? How do we risk-assess a local demonstration? Do we need insurance and do we need to alert the police? (All questions we have answers to in the group now - just check our announcements and shared files).

We gathered a steering group around us of fellow doulas and midwives. We knew we needed a diverse group that represented parents, lay birth workers, NHS midwives and independent midwives. And, given the outrageous statistics on increased risk of maternal death for Black and Brown mothers and birthing people, we were also determined to include people from marginalised communities so that their voices could be amplified.

We realised we had an opportunity here to gather a diverse range of maternity voices under one banner, so we embarked on writing a manifesto summing up the issues and calling for some simple, emergency crisis management measures.

We also wrote a template letter for people to send to their MPs. We called for everyone to stand up around the country on the same day, at the same time, and called these gatherings vigils, to underscore the deep grief so many of us feel at the broken state of maternity services.

Meanwhile, the group grew. And grew. At the time of writing the facebook group contains nearly 20,000 people. Our Facebook, Twitter and Instagram pages are growing by the day. Our inboxes are flooded with people sharing their stories and wanting to help. A handful of distressed doulas has grown into a grassroots movement with real momentum.

So what exactly is up with the service? To cut a long story short, we quite simply do not have enough of anything - too few midwives, too few beds, not enough resources or time, which leads to not enough energy or compassion for the families needing support. The result? Parents that are damaged by either too much medical intervention or, conversely, falling through the cracks and not receiving the medical care they need. Those of us working with families in the postnatal period were not surprised when research found that up to a third of mothers/birthing people have symptoms of trauma.

As Elsie Gayle, experienced midwife, says, "The inevitability of the 'shoehorning' of maternity care into structures that continue to cause the systematic erasure of midwives, avoidable damage, deaths and long term trauma to families. It pains me to watch British maternity care diminish to its lowest point ever in the pursuit of the economies of scale."

Burned out midwives are abandoning the wrecked ship in droves; physical and mental health in tatters. Recent research found that midwives are increasingly suffering with PTSD. Urinary tract infections are common because they have no time to go to the toilet and they’re often not drinking on shift to reduce the urge to go. The pandemic has merely exposed an existing crisis in staffing and worsened staff retention. Meanwhile, students are also leaving their courses before graduation or shortly after qualifying, as the work conditions are so horrific. This means that the Government’s assurances that many new midwives are being trained is simply not the solution.

This isn’t a looming crisis. We have known about the staffing issues for years. The stuff has now well and truly hit the fan and we urgently need the voices of parents, midwives and doulas to be heard by the government. This is a crisis that affects everyone. We all have loved ones using this service and potentially carrying the ripple effects of trauma into the rest of their lives.

If you want to get involved, this is what you can do:

  • Join the March With Midwives Facebook group
  • Repost our Twitter and Instagram content
  • Make a 30 second video about why you support the campaign and post it with the hashtag #MarchWithMidwives
  • Write to your MP
  • If you can, find your local vigil (there is a map in the announcements in the Facebook group) and come join us on Sunday 21st November at 2pm

Together, we can amplify the voice of those who are so often silenced."

"This is a crisis for everyone": How you can support midwives ahead of Sunday's March for Midwives
OP posts:
Hortonhearsadoctorwho · 19/11/2021 22:02

I’m 27 weeks. Having a difficult pregnancy.
I haven’t heard babies heartbeat.
Have had 2 appointments.
During bleeding in early pregnancy I was told to let them know if it was a miscarriage and if so let them know to take my name off the list.
Asked for a scan at 8 weeks after bleeding to be told there’s no point.
Lost 2 stone and was told I had it to lose as I was fat to begin with (in size 10 maternity jeans)
Having my son years ago it was an amazing experience. This time round it’s truly awful and that is purely down to the midwives.

Izzy24 · 19/11/2021 22:05

@Somebodylikeyew

Your poster doesn’t centre women. Your language doesn’t centre women. And sadly, there are hundreds of threads on here about damage women have suffered due to not being centred in modern midwifery culture.

People on this thread have given you feedback and you’ve been defensive rather than listening. Once again, sadly there are hundreds of women here who have been damaged by midwives who didn’t listen.

I do wish you well. But i can also see why this hasn’t resulted in the groundswell of support you had hoped amongst this particular audience of WOMEN.

I’m not sure if you mean me.

But I have listened. I’ve tried to explain that I want to include those very few people who want to be referred to in this way. That just feels kind.

I don’t feel defensive, I really just wanted to explain.

charlie10k · 19/11/2021 23:26

No thanks.

Aceoftrumps · 20/11/2021 00:58

Under staffed and undervalued, the story of midwifery. Why do you do it?
Because you value life, will you ever be valued, yes all the time, but not by mainstream. How do I know, not being in the profession? Because I see my niece with her colleagues, sacrificing herself daily for women and their babies. Bless you all.

Namenic · 20/11/2021 07:40

Good luck for Sun - wishing you well! I’m hoping I’ll be able to make it for a short time

YesIamTHATmum · 20/11/2021 07:50

I admit that I am a bit over weight. Only a bit. My mid wife was the size of a house compared to me but she still insisted that I lose some weight.

Also I had to put in a complaint against another midwife on an entirely different topic.I won that one rather quickly. The midwife was the last person I would discuss any pregnancy issues with because of the drama of dealing with her.

I have really not had any positive experiences with the midwife with my last pregnancy unfortunately.

DinoDinner · 20/11/2021 08:04

Birthing people!! I won't be supporting until you know what a woman and mother is.

If this profession of all professions can't say mother then we've had it!

BertieBotts · 20/11/2021 08:06

Aren't these stories of recent poor care illustrating the problem? Of course there will always be individuals who are unsympathetic, but when this is a wider pattern it's likely symptomatic of midwives being undersupported, burnt out, exhausted, unable to give the care they would like?

Motherofthreecubs · 20/11/2021 08:18

@Somebodylikeyew

Your poster doesn’t centre women. Your language doesn’t centre women. And sadly, there are hundreds of threads on here about damage women have suffered due to not being centred in modern midwifery culture.

People on this thread have given you feedback and you’ve been defensive rather than listening. Once again, sadly there are hundreds of women here who have been damaged by midwives who didn’t listen.

I do wish you well. But i can also see why this hasn’t resulted in the groundswell of support you had hoped amongst this particular audience of WOMEN.

I agree with this tbh.

It absolutely does need looking at but this post waffles too much at the beginning.

You should have started off with facts straight from the off. Put links in to say who you are.

Your main audience is women and mothers this should have been a klaxon call to them - not diluting it for the tiny tiny % of 'birthing people'.

You should listen to what women are telling you - and I agree this is one of the issue women have - that their midwives do not listen to them.

Motherofthreecubs · 20/11/2021 08:30

But I have listened. I’ve tried to explain that I want to include those very few people who want to be referred to in this way. That just feels kind

I think that's the problem we are seeing every where. In the pursuit of 'kindness' for a tiny % women and mothers have been erased for the vast majority. Those two words mean a lot to us - they really do.

I dont want any one to unkind to a transpeople I really dont and supporting women through pregnancy and labour should always been doing with dignity and care. But you have to see that you are alienating 99% of the very women you are supposed to be caring for.

This post is literally calling for 'birthing people' - most people will assume what's birthing people? You should have started this post "Listen up women! Calling all mothers - we need you'

KathleenWho · 20/11/2021 08:32

Not until they change the name of their profession to midperson
What's sauce for the goose........................

ThistlyPerf · 20/11/2021 08:32

No, we actually won’t.

We refer to birthing people AS WELL AS families and women so that we include all the people we care for. Because as HCPs working in maternity services we do our very best to extend warmth, compassion and inclusion to everyone

Well unfortunately it turned me off. I joined the FB group but left fairly swiftly after realising the language being used (and the no debate rhetoric) did not sit right with me. As PPs have said, the midwifery crisis is such a hugely important topic, but it needs to be discussed with the words woman and mother at the core.

I also treat everyone I encounter professionally with warmth and compassion btw. Just because I believe the word ‘woman’ is important and meaningful it does not make me a bigot.

Clymene · 20/11/2021 08:47

The word woman does not appear once in that OP. Not once.

RelentlessForwardProgress · 20/11/2021 08:54

@Somebodylikeyew

Your poster doesn’t centre women. Your language doesn’t centre women. And sadly, there are hundreds of threads on here about damage women have suffered due to not being centred in modern midwifery culture.

People on this thread have given you feedback and you’ve been defensive rather than listening. Once again, sadly there are hundreds of women here who have been damaged by midwives who didn’t listen.

I do wish you well. But i can also see why this hasn’t resulted in the groundswell of support you had hoped amongst this particular audience of WOMEN.

Absolutely this!!
PerpetualStudent · 20/11/2021 09:02

Honestly, I saw this campaign on Insta ‘support midwives’ and my first thought was ‘mate, when did midwives support me?’ - I had a horrific pre/post natal experience with my 2nd DC - it wasn’t a few bad apples, it was a culture that seemed positively delighted that reduced resources gave them the excuse to bully and intimidate women.

Izzy24 · 20/11/2021 09:02

@Clymene

The word woman does not appear once in that OP. Not once.
Twice. It appears twice.

I didn’t write the opening piece but I support the aims of the vigils on Sunday which is why I have tried to highlight them here so that they can be as widely supported as possible.

Thank you to everyone.

Motherofthreecubs · 20/11/2021 09:03

I also hate the term birth worker as its its not a million miles away from sex worker.

This is what happens when you start screwing up language.

Clymene · 20/11/2021 09:11

I thought perhaps my eyes were deceiving me but I've just logged on to MN on my PC to do a word search to double check.

Nope. The words women or woman do not make any appearance in that OP. Please don't gaslight me @Izzy24. The fact that you appear to be unable to take on board the POV of women who you're supposed to support is bad enough.

Motherofthreecubs · 20/11/2021 09:20

Listen up women! Did you know that 60% of UK midwives are considering leaving the profession. If this was to happen it would have for catastrophic effect on your pregnancy and birth. We have set up an online form for mothers and health professionals to write about how the staffing crisis has affected them, either anonymously or with their name

We quite simply do not have enough of anything - too few midwives, too few beds, not enough resources or time, which leads to not enough energy or compassion for the women needing support. The result? Mothers that are damaged by either too much medical intervention or, conversely, falling through the cracks and not receiving the medical care they need. Those of us working with families in the postnatal period were not surprised when research found that up to a third of mothers have symptoms of trauma

As Elsie Gayle, experienced midwife, says, "The inevitability of the 'shoehorning' of maternity care into structures that continue to cause the systematic erasure of midwives, avoidable damage, deaths and long term trauma to families. It pains me to watch British maternity care diminish to its lowest point ever in the pursuit of the economies of scale

Our Facebook, Twitter and Instagram pages are growing by the day. Our inboxes are flooded with people sharing their stories and wanting to help. Please join us to protect women during their pregnancy and births.

Burned out midwives are abandoning the wrecked ship in droves; physical and mental health in tatters. Recent research found that midwives are increasingly suffering with PTSD. Urinary tract infections are common because they have no time to go to the toilet and they’re often not drinking on shift to reduce the urge to go. The pandemic has merely exposed an existing crisis in staffing and worsened staff retention. Meanwhile, students are also leaving their courses before graduation or shortly after qualifying, as the work conditions are so horrific. This means that the Government’s assurances that many new midwives are being trained is simply not the solution

We need to protect our midwives so we can give you the best care

Please get involved

  • Join the March With Midwives Facebook group
  • Repost our Twitter and Instagram content
  • Make a 30 second video about why you support the campaign and post it with the hashtag #MarchWithMidwives
  • Write to your MP
  • If you can, find your local vigil (there is a map in the announcements in the Facebook group) and come join us on Sunday 21st November at 2pm*

Together, we can amplify the voice of those who are so often silenced.

You need to remember OP its the mothers/women that will pull you through this - not the less than 1% on a PR basis this is awful

borntobequiet · 20/11/2021 09:29

Your poster doesn’t centre women
Your language doesn’t centre women
And sadly, there are hundreds of threads on here about damage women have suffered due to not being centred in modern midwifery culture

This. I had my babies decades ago, the NHS was in a parlous state then, there was limited technology and the experience could have been better, but women were centred. And I was able to stay in hospital in reasonable comfort for a few days until I was rested, recovered and BF established.

Interrobanger · 20/11/2021 09:39

Plenty of other posters have articulated very well why it’s such a problem and a shame that you’re unable to name women and mothers in your unhelpfully long OP.

The erasure of the words women/woman from maternity-specific literature is a big problem for many of us who would otherwise like to be able to support your cause.

I especially bumped up against this particular sentence: “Parents that are damaged by either too much medical intervention or, conversely, falling through the cracks and not receiving the medical care they need.”

You mean ‘women’ but you have substituted the word for ‘parents’, making the sentence meaningless. Unless you mean that men are also medically damaged and subsequently ignored as part of the birth process?

Please listen to the feedback you’re getting. You want support from women - the sex class who give birth - yet you can’t even bring yourself to name them.

Women have absolutely and utterly had enough of being erased from discourse that only concerns them for the sake of ‘being kind’ to a minute population who don’t reciprocate that kindness.

I hope you’ll reflect on the responses you’ve had in this thread.

PartridgeCoop · 20/11/2021 09:40

Thank you for sharing those locations @Izzy24 and @MaddieM . I'll be there - it's such a hard job that midwives do and I can't imagine the pressure in light of the staffing crisis.

Izzy24 · 20/11/2021 10:14

Please can I just say again that

I didn’t write the opening post.

I am not the OP.

I am not gaslighting anyone - although I didn’t write the opening post it does in fact use the word mother twice.

I agree with everyone who says this is a woman centred issue.

I am deeply saddened every time (which is often) when I hear about the very poor, inadequate and/or damaging care women have experienced. And of course the pain and damage affects the whole family.

Many women are reluctant to complain about their care because they see midwives are under stress and don’t want to add to it by making a complaint. And it’s very difficult to make a complaint when the last thing you want or need is to be plunged back into the trauma that you desperately need to move away from.

But it’s time for us all to complain.

MaddieM · 20/11/2021 10:20

@Interrobanger

Plenty of other posters have articulated very well why it’s such a problem and a shame that you’re unable to name women and mothers in your unhelpfully long OP.

The erasure of the words women/woman from maternity-specific literature is a big problem for many of us who would otherwise like to be able to support your cause.

I especially bumped up against this particular sentence: “Parents that are damaged by either too much medical intervention or, conversely, falling through the cracks and not receiving the medical care they need.”

You mean ‘women’ but you have substituted the word for ‘parents’, making the sentence meaningless. Unless you mean that men are also medically damaged and subsequently ignored as part of the birth process?

Please listen to the feedback you’re getting. You want support from women - the sex class who give birth - yet you can’t even bring yourself to name them.

Women have absolutely and utterly had enough of being erased from discourse that only concerns them for the sake of ‘being kind’ to a minute population who don’t reciprocate that kindness.

I hope you’ll reflect on the responses you’ve had in this thread.

So you think Fathers aren't damaged by birth trauma? Of course parents are damaged, whoever they are. This campaign is about everyone's voices being heard - and I would like to point out that, far from erasing women, I use the word more than once in a very short piece. The constant and I must say, very boring, deflection from this important issue into an unnecessary rant about gender politics is very disappointing. Women are not being erased when we use additive language - it takes just a little more ink to ensure that everyone feels included in our public utterances. I am sending you feminist solidarity - we really do not need to be at odds on this!
Igneo · 20/11/2021 10:27

@Izzy24

^By referring to " birthing people" you will turn a lot of women off, unfortunately. That is a pity, because this is an important campaign.
No, we actually won’t.^

You didn’t listen. Your comment here attempts to shut down this line of debate.