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RowanMumsnet · 18/09/2019 15:22

Hello

As part of our Publish Parental Leave campaign, we want MNers to ask their bosses/management whether they publish their parental leave policies for all to see - and if they don’t, we’d like you to ask whether they’d consider it.

You can find out more about the reasons behind the campaign here, but essentially it’s a way to help close the gender pay gap, give prospective parents the information they need to plan for children, and encourage a race to the top among big organisations.

We recognise that this ask will be most applicable to bigger organisations - those with 250+ employees. If you work for one of those we would LOVE you to pop the question.

If you work for a smaller organisation we’d still love you to ask, but we realise that if it’s a two-woman start-up, the chances are everyone has quite a lot on their plate already.

And of course we know some of you ARE the boss. In which case, please take yourself into a corner office and have a word with yourself, agree to publish and then slap yourself on the back. (Maybe draw the blinds first.)

Finally, we know most of you won’t (understandably) want to say on here who you work for. We would really appreciate it if you could email us on [email protected] to tell us which organisation you’ve spoken to and what the response was. Your email to us won’t be linked with your Mumsnet user name and we promise we won’t share your email address or name with ANYONE unless you’ve given us express permission.

So, to upsum:

1 Please ask your employer whether they publicly publish their parental leave policies.
2 If they don’t, please ask them if they’ll consider doing so. (You can find all the reasons why they should here, and you can see a list of FTSE100 companies who already do here, plus a further list of more FTSE100 companies who’ve promised to start doing it here.)
3 Please say here (if you want to) or email us on [email protected] to tell us which company you asked, and what the response was
4 Cake!

We’ve put together a draft email for you if you’d like to use it - copy is below.

Thank you!
MNHQ

[draft email]

Dear [boss/Head of HR]

I wanted to ask whether we publicly publish our parental leave policies anywhere - and if we don’t, whether you would consider doing so.

As you probably know, starting a family is expensive and it really helps people to be able to plan how much they will need to save, how much time they will have off, how they might be able to split paid leave with their spouse or partner, and how much childcare they will need to pay for.

Mumsnet is campaigning for organisations to publish how many weeks of leave people are entitled to, and at what level it is paid.

Being able to find this information on company websites means that job-seekers don’t have to ask at interview - which, understandably, they are very reluctant to do because they fear it would make a job offer less likely. You can see Mumsnet’s figures on this here.

Pregnancy and maternity discrimination hits women very hard, so understandably they’re reluctant to ask potential employers for information that gives away the fact they want to start a family. This means they are flying blind in this important respect when applying for new positions, and aren’t able to gauge how far employers genuinely welcome parents on staff.

We would be in good company if we do this: more than one-quarter of the FTSE100 already do, and a further 19 FTSE100 companies have committed to publishing or considering publishing their parental leave policies.

I’d love to see [our company] take this step. It’s an easy, cost-free change that demonstrates commitment to equality and diversity, and it could make a real difference.

Yours etc,
[Ms/Mr Mumsnetter]

RowanMumsnet · 19/09/2019 09:50

Morning! Thanks for all your thoughts so far. Glad to hear you've been on the case for a while @AutumnCrown Grin

@FirstTim3Mummy thanks for sending the email and do let us know how you get on

@eggysmom Thank you for that, that's great

@Ratbagcatbag whoop!

@CountFosco we've had a few companies say that to us, although more usually because they're global and have different policies in different countries. We've got a few suggestions for how they can handle this, eg publishing all the individual policies for different sites or including links to the applicable policies within job ads.

@GarfieldsArm well said Grin Your employer sounds great

@OrangeYellowLeaves aargh well spotted, thank you. Will edit now

@NewNameGuy absolutely - supporting dads to take the time off is a major piece of the puzzle, which is why we're asking employers to publish all their parental leave policies, not just mat pay and leave. Hope you'll ask your employer to publish too, if they don't already?

RowanMumsnet · 20/09/2019 10:09

@Pandamodium

Sorry that went on a bit of a tangent Blush I just wanted to put the other side across when you are at the mercy of the DWP and benefits.

Don't blame you - sounds like a very raw deal indeed

RowanMumsnet · 20/09/2019 10:11

@CountFosco

we've had a few companies say that to us, although more usually because they're global and have different policies in different countries. We've got a few suggestions for how they can handle this, eg publishing all the individual policies for different sites or including links to the applicable policies within job ads.

I suspect companies who have different policies on different sites (due to legacy agreements) probably don't want to publish their policies because there would then be pressure to even out any discrepancies. I think everyone at our US sites know they have less good terms and conditions than the European sites so that's actually less of an issue, but if people discovered the site 200 miles away have better T&C that would not go down well.

(Wondering who you work for now!) Yes, I don't think any of the companies we've spoken to have said they have differing policies within a country. Can see how that would get awkward

RowanMumsnet · 20/09/2019 10:12

@Watfrordmummy

All our policies are available for everyone to see - Head of People here.

We'd love to add your company to our list if it's not there already (if it's in the FTSE100 or FTSE250 we should know about it) - if you're comfortable with letting us know via PM or email ([email protected]) which org it is

RowanMumsnet · 20/09/2019 10:42

@MindyStClaire

I work for a university and the policies for maternity, paternity, adoption and shared parental leave are freely available on the website, I checked them before accepting the job. There is also a policy on flexible working and work life balance (can't remember what it's called).

The policies are reasonably generous.

  • maternity leave is enhanced, I was on full pay for a few months, although I know many with a more generous package
  • paternity leave is full pay for three weeks. Two weeks has to be taken as a block but the third week is flexible, so DH went back four days a week for the first five weeks which was nice.
  • shared parental leave pay is the same as maternity.

Interesting, thanks Mindy - again if you're comfortable letting us know which uni that is it would be great

RowanMumsnet · 27/09/2019 10:50

@ultramother

I interviewed a man for the Denmark office of our company (who we hired). In the interview he asked me directly about our parental leave policy for fathers. His wife wasn't pregnant - they were just wanting to start a family soon.

Once I got over the initial shock (and quickly put one in place) I realised that we're only going to start closing the gap in the UK - and getting better parental policies if our partners ask as well.

Good for him! And yes, absolutely.

RowanMumsnet · 27/09/2019 10:54

@daisychain01

Defence, public sector employee. Great employer, super supportive of mums and dads (very family friendly across the board), flexible working is available including remote working.

The key thing is, the information is willingly shared at interview and on external job ads. There is no need for candidates to feel it would be jeopardising their chance of securing a role such that they cannot discuss parental rights before they accept a job offer.

Thanks Daisy. If the info is available via links within job ads then that probably covers off the kind of thing we mean. Our survey evidence is that Mners do feel reluctant to ask directly at interview, because they overwhelmingly fear it will make a job offer less likely - and for women in particular, maternity and pregnancy discrimination stats and various surveys about employers' attitudes would suggest they've got a reason to be wary. (You can see our survey results here.)

Glad to hear your employer is on the case though - well done them

RowanMumsnet · 27/09/2019 10:55

@AGnu

Just marking my place to remind myself to pester DH to do this. I've had a quick look & can only find the policy for another country, doesn't seem to be a UK one available. Will be in contact if/when I can convince DH to send the email.

Brilliant, thanks @AGnu and a big Flowers to everyone who's emailed us and/or asked their employer - we really appreciate it!

RowanMumsnet · 30/09/2019 10:45

@SilverChime

The only ones who are going to share their policies are those with good policies that they’re proud of. Lots of employers have unofficial policies that they’d never admit to. My employer had a policy of getting rid of pregnant employees because they couldn’t afford the hassle and expense of arranging cover and having to recruit etc. Hence why I found myself “surplus to requirements” at four months pregnant. DH’s company has a policy of not hiring 30-something women in the first place, particularly if they’re engaged or recently married.

Shock Crikey.

And re best-in-class policies - yes, most of the companies who are publishing have pretty good policies (although there's a lot of variation). But we think even those who only offer statutory minimums could still do job-seekers a favour by making that info public - it's still information that's relevant and useful for some potential job-seekers, and helps people to plan or to decide whether to apply. (Although yes, we are also hoping that putting pressure on companies to publish will persuade some of them to put turbo-boosters on their policies... race to the top and all that.)

RowanMumsnet · 30/09/2019 10:46

@SlightlyWizened

Have emailed you xx

Thank you!

RowanMumsnet · 01/10/2019 16:26

@TakeMeToYourLiar

Where does mumsnet publish their policy?

Here you go

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