A truly independent enquiry into child sex abuse ?

[Whitershadeofpale]

I've been following and to some extent contributing to the current threads about the links between the establishment and paedophile rings/ cover ups.

Like lots of others I'm angry; angry that this has happened and even more angry that the proposed investigation places at it's head someone with links to the same culture of abuse and coverups that she is meant to expose. Please consider a mumsnet campaign to try and secure a truly independent review into this in a similar vein to the Hillsborough enquiry.

[scandip]

Interesting!

[sunnyrosegarden]

And quitting Parliament after the 2015 election. I should have put some money on this - I would have won!

[TheOneWithTheNicestSmile]

Hague will be Speaker?

What happens to Bercow?

[TheOneWithTheNicestSmile]

Oh, Leader, not Speaker

It is very odd timing I agree

(But I like Hague )

[Scousadelic]

That had crossed my mind too Lemsy but I have been trying to convince myself I am being too cynical, not sure I am winning though!

[CuriosityCola]

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[Whitershadeofpale]

Sorry my mistake, leader not speaker.

[Lemsy]

Scous

With these lot you have to be cynical. Look what they are capable of. We really don't know the kind of people/'clubs' we are dealing with here.

[scandip]

This is an interesting article.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9663457/William-Hague-stifled-1996-paedophile-report-says-victim.html

[scandip]

The new inquiry perhaps needs to reexamine the issues here.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-20182106

[GarlicJulyKit]

That is interesting, Scandip. I'm sure inquiries were suppressed and manipulated at every stage from local care home management & police upwards, so it will require a lot of diligent detective work to figure out who knew what at higher levels. The easiest targets are those who've been identified as personally engaging in abuse ... which makes it gruesomely fascinating to see who resigns (and moves abroad?) in coming months.

I'm relieved this is still being pursued, and covered by mainstream media. Am grateful to those who keep pushing against the stonewall.

[ParsingFlatly]

Yes, I think the "moves abroad" thing is going to be significant.

[TheOneWithTheNicestSmile]

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Interesting...

[scandip]

GarlicJulyKit, yep, certainly makes you wonder who will resign or do a disappearing act.

[Whitershadeofpale]

What do we think of Geoffrey Robertson to potentialy be on a panel? www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/apr/02/pope-legal-immunity-international-law he essentially forced a pope to resign. Has knowledge of the legal system, no part of the establishment and not frightened to ruffle a few feathers.

[TheOneWithTheNicestSmile]

I like the sound of Vera Baird who was Solicitor General from 2007-2010 & spoke very reasonably about why Butler-Sloss shouldn't do it

She doesn't seem Establishment & clearly knows her stuff

[WhistlingPot]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28316874

A former senior Metropolitan Police officer says he was moved from his post when he revealed plans to investigate politicians over child abuse claims.

Clive Driscoll says his inquiry into 1980s London children's homes was "all too uncomfortable to a lot of people".

He also believes there were "disruption tactics" within the Met during his inquiry that led to the conviction of two of Stephen Lawrence's killers.

The Met defended its murder inquiry and said Lambeth investigations continued.

List of suspects
Mr Driscoll told BBC Newsnight that while conducting a 1998 inquiry into allegations of abuse in children's homes in Lambeth, south London, in the 1980s, he was passed a list of suspects' names, including politicians, that he wanted to investigate.

Speaking for the first time since retirement, he said: "Some of the names were people that were locally working, some people that were, if you like, working nationally.

"There was quite a mix really because it appeared that it was connected to other boroughs and other movement around the country."

He said after he had shared his suspicions at a meeting, he was taken off the investigation.

[WhistlingPot]

Posted this on one of the other threads, but relevant here too.

Sexual abuse, excellent article on current developments by
Bernard Gallagher. Recommended reading

bit.ly/1mOO2VX
Retweeted by CPResource

[WhistlingPot]

Apologies if this is already posted somewhere, I had read it somewhere, then lost it, and found it again!

Superb letter from Mark Radcliff, MP for Rochester and Strood, asking DC about the role of Government Whips in Child Abuse on 10th July.

Interestingly, no answer yet:

markreckless.com/2014/07/12/my-letter-to-pm-on-whips-and-child-abuse-inquiry/

[CFSKate]

Police Need Amnesty To Speak Out on Westminster 'Paedo Network'

twitter.com/ZacGoldsmith/status/489441659906981888

[GarlicJulyKit]

Golly! It'd have to be some rock-solid amnesty. I can imagine them doing it if they were able to all stand up at once, Spartacus-like, and be protected very publicly. But won't loads of them be flinching every time there's a noise outside their house, even now?

[GarlicJulyKit]

I'm impressed by today's announcement of 660 arrests among people who work with children. It seems some of the good guys have finally been let out of their starting boxes! If they can effect a safe inflow of recollections (and diaries) from silenced officers, I believe some good may come of it. How much, I'm not sure.

[TensionWheelsCoolHeels]

That letter is pretty hard hitting. I hope he gets a response.

I'm noting the move of Gove from Education minister to chief whip - this is the same Gove who tried to avoid disclosing information requested back in 2012 under a FOI request by virtue of using personal email between himself & advisors and claiming these emails were not covered under the FOI legislation. Here's the story link for a recap.

Call me a cynic but I'm not overly confident that anyone in the current government are that focused on being 'open and transparent' when it comes to what goes on behind Westminster doors.

[Whitershadeofpale]

There is a demo tomorrow at 10.30 at Trafalger Square, marching to Parliament Square where there's a demo at 11.

[WallyBantersJunkBox]

Are we still waiting on a response?