Should we back the No More Page 3 campaign? Please let us know what you think...

[JustineMumsnet]

Hello all,

As some of you will know, there have been a few on-board debates about the No More Page 3 nomorepage3.org/ campaign, and whether or not Mumsnet should 'officially' join up as a supporter.

Previous threads here here here and here have been on balance supportive but not of a sufficient consensus for us to feel comfortable putting our full weight behind the cause.

With our most recent blog post on the issue, however, support seemed a bit more clear cut and there were lots of calls for us to back the campaign.

So we thought we'd canvass support more officially and widely. Do please use this thread to let us know whether you think we should sign up.

Obviously this is by no means a precise science, but in order to try to get a representative Mumsnet view, we will be placing a bit less weight on the views of those who have signed up to Mumsnet very recently.

Yes absolutely.
Women should not be objectified in a family newspaper. End of.

Yes - please support this campaign .

It's a great cause and I can't really believe it's been allowed for so many years. I don't want either of children to be exposed to this.

For me it's a definite yes. I have no problem with soft porn in an appropriate place where adults seek it out, but I have a big problem with it placed in a newspaper where people who don't want to see it (..or worse, children..) may inadvertently be exposed to it.

Please please please back the campaign Mumsnet, it doesn't make any sense not to!

Yes! Please support the campaign!

Yes, please back this campaign. Page 3 is an anachronism that objectifies women and 'reminds us' on a daily basis of our inferior status. If you want any evidence of how pernicious such casual sexism can be, check out the @EverydaySexism project on Twitter. It's horrible how deeply ingrained (and accepted) derogatory attitudes to women are in our society.

Yes please back it. Children are growing up seeing the objectification and infantilisation of women as 'normality', because it is in a mainstream newspaper. Tackling page 3 is only the beginning, but is a firm starting point as the country's no.1 newspaper.

Yes, please back it. It is the visible/ most institutionalised tip of an iceberg of objectification - this will impact all of our children.

I've been a part of the campaign for quite some time, and we are currently working on trying to get it taken off of Warwick University campus (where I am a student).
I've written some blog posts on huff post, as have some of our other campaign members and we've correlated our posts here if anyone is unsure of what the campaign stands for. nmp3warwick.wordpress.com/
It's about time MN joined the campaign, imo.

Yes, i definitely think it's an important campaign and mums net showing support would help reach more people.

Please back this campaign.

It is terrible that the largest image of a woman in a national paper is one who is topless whilst the men are all busy doing 'important' things fully clothed. It sends the message that women are just sex objects and that breasts are just for the gratification of men.

I hate it that my daughters (2 and 4) and I can be sitting in a cafe and have to see soft porn because someone across the way is looking at pg 3. It has no place in a modern, equal society.

Please, please back this campaign.

Yes, please do back this campaign.

Yes, please do.

Yes please. I'm almost 30 and only recently begun to understand the damage caused to my body image and self esteem as a teen exposed to things like Page 3. We owe it to today's young women to fight against the sexualisation and objectification of their bodies.

I absolutely would not support a campaign for a legal ban, but this is not that, so as long as there is no mission creep, yes, please back it.

Yes, please do - and anyone that can't see the difference between general nudity, and titillating pictures of women in a daily newspaper is being deliberately obtuse.

I signed the petition a very long time ago and would love to see Mumsnet back this campaign.

YES yes yes please back it.

It is the small everyday insidious things like page 3 that add to the general culture of wolf-whistling/phwoar look at that/women's bodies are for sex with and titillation of men.

I am already dreading when my beautiful DD grows up and has to deal with this sort of shit from the age of roughly 12 onwards. Topless "phwoar" pictures have no place in a newspaper.

Yes, please do.

Last night I was walking to my childminder to collect by baby with DD1 who is 4. A neighbour had put newspaper on his windscreen against frost and there was Page 3 girl right across the passenger side. DD, who is in a questioning frame of mind generally at the moment, asked me why she had no top on. I usually have a "if she's old enough to ask the question, she can hear the answer" policy, but at 4 I don't want her to have to face the reality of women being sexual objects for male titivation on this everyday basis - so I said perhaps she hadn't finished getting dressed. DD then said she should wear a vest, as it's so cold; to which I agreed.

I would like my DD to grow up feeling confident about herself, and valued for her kindness and efforts, not just her appearance. I want her to have relationships based on respect when she is old enough. Page 3 mitigates against all of this, and has entered her world at 4.

The Sun should recognise that this is not acceptable in today's world, and get rid. Mumsnet should add its considerable weight to the debate.

Yes I am whole heartedly in favour of this. I do not want my daughters to ever see it and think it is ok for any woman to be viewed as an object in this way. No more page 3! It's 2014.

Yes please do support the campaign. It's enormously important.
Page 3 is soft porn, and shouldn't be alongside news. I have no problem with nudity, and don't necessarily have a problem with porn (although there is more to say there!) but the daily displaying not of breasts generally, but young, white, large breasts on a slim, submissive woman who is there only for titillation is not a 'funny' part of our culture, it's a deeply unfunny reminder that a woman's place is to be decorative, sexual, available, and not in the news stories alongside.

I would really like mumsnet to support NMP3. There seem to be a few misconceptions about the campaign though, so is it possible for mumsnet to lay out the scope of the argument very briefly so that mumsnetters can make an informed choice? E.g. That its not banning anything, and why the campaign thinks it still matters in the face of Internet porn and general violation of our daughters' self-esteem from the general media?!

Absolutely.

It has had its day. Most of us have evolved since the '70's when women were fair game to be ogled over, shouted at to 'get our tits out' and groped at work.

The Sun isn't allowed here. We have no problem with nudity, but I do have a huge problem with the idea that women are there to titilate men and boys. My daughters deserve better, and my sons won't be conditioned to think they are allowed to do this.

I agree. Yes, yes, yes please back the campaign.