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We Believe You: we're launching our rape awareness campaign today.

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KateMumsnet · 09/03/2012 15:56

Today, we're very proud to be launching a new campaign. It's called 'We Believe You', and it's inspired by the many MNers who've asked us to speak out about the prevalence of rape and sexual assault in women's lives.

While we're at it, we're going to try to explode, once and for all, some pernicious myths about rape - about who does it, what it is, and whom it can happen to. These myths mean that many victims are denied justice: our survey confirmed that most don't report their rape or sexual assault, for fear of being disbelieved.

So the message of our campaign is in the title - we believe you. We hope MNers will get behind it, and spread that message far and wide - on Facebook, and on Twitter, using the hashtag #webelieveyou. And don't forget to let us know what you think here on this thread.

We're also giving a shout-out to Rape Crisis, the End Violence Against Women coalition, and Barnardo's - all of whom are supporting our campaign. They all work hard on sexual violence issues - either by supporting those who've experienced it, or campaigning for better prevention strategies - so do see if you can help them out.

MNHQ x

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geekette · 17/03/2012 06:15

oh dear, nothinggoldcanstay....

Putting yourself in a dodgy situation and finding yourself in one maybe two different things but the end result is the same: someone has been violated and someone else is the perpetrator!

I'll put it this way, most of us drive fully aware that road transport is the unsafest form of transport. Getting in your car or motorcycle is equivalent to putting yourself in a compromising position. We can aggravate the situation by using a road we know is dodgy. And if someone hits you by trying to overtake on a hidden dip, for example, , you are not at fault, no matter how well you know how dangerous that stretch of road was! If someone is severely injured, you may consider never using that road again but you are always aware that the offence of dangerous driving has been committed. that doesn't change.

For completeness of the comparison, a pedestrian, on a pavement, who is hit by a car parking on the pavement, finds himself in a compromised situation which is not of his making. The driver is at fault of dangerous driving, no question about it.

DillyTante · 17/03/2012 08:43

'The campaign is great but women really need to stop thinking shagging a footballer/banker/doctor is the same as working before this will work in real life.' What do that have to do with being raped???

GentleOtter · 17/03/2012 09:18

nothinggoldcanstay - I think you are missing the essence of this campaign not to mention insulting the women who have been raped.

Rape is rape.

If you click on the links provided by Mumsnet at the top of the page, you will find clarification to your theories.

Rapists do not come with a tattoo on their head stating their intention. They can be found in all walks of life including footballers/ bankers/ doctors for example.

We are here to offer support to one another. I think that your statement is crass at best, deeply offensive at worst.

seriouslytwisted · 17/03/2012 09:49

Definitely a much-need campaign. Good luck.

Mouseface · 17/03/2012 09:56

Gentle - how are you today? Have you managed to do anything about your e-mails? I was thinking of you last night. Smile xx

nothinggold - The campaign is great but women really need to stop thinking shagging a footballer/banker/doctor is the same as working before this will work in real life - really? Have you READ any of the links and posts on here?

Maybe you should read MY experience of RAPE

I think you need to think about what you've posted. I've reported your post but doubt it will get deleted because in actual fact, YOU are the very reason this campaign will be a success!

AnyFucker · 17/03/2012 12:26

the post was deleted

DillyTante · 17/03/2012 12:45

Do we have any idea how widely the campaign is spreading, and what is our measure of success?

hanmord · 17/03/2012 14:21

Thank goodness there is this!
It is exhausting going through as well as justifying your feelings to everybody.
More people need to understand the aftermath of rape and what it does to someone.

StewieGriffinsMom · 17/03/2012 15:02

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anonmale · 17/03/2012 15:32

Just thought I'd post after seeing the publicity.

I'm a male survivor of rape. It happened a long time ago and I don't want to go into details. What I do want to say is that I am disappointed that the mumsnet campaign doesn't seem (I may have missed it) to acknowledge that men can also be victims of rape. I know this is a women's focussed site but there are currently virtually no support sites, let alone services for male victims. In the absence of such services male victims do come to these sites for support. By not even acknowledging males can be victims it does feel that our experiences don't count and that we should just 'deal with it'

Mouseface · 17/03/2012 15:36

hanmord

That's it isn't it? It's what comes later in life. The memories, the mental scares, tears and wounds. They never leave you. They are there for the rest of your life.

They fade, a bit, of course they do but YOU know they are always going to be visible to you, a part of you. Sad

On a selfish note, I have found talking about my experiences of abuse and rape really hard to deal with this last week but now, six days on, I think that I can finally see a tiny light at the end of this dark and twisted tunnel.

I have learnt so much this week, just by reading the accounts of others. The biggest thing I've learnt is that I AM NOT ALONE and IT WAS NOT MY FAULT.

Rape can happen ANYWHERE and to ANYONE.

I'm sure many of you will remember the shocking and totally horrific attack on an elderly lady in the news not that long ago, before she was left for dead, she was violently raped. She was in her 90's. Sad

The rape myths are finally being challenged, they are beginning to be replaced by facts which is what we, as a society, desperately need.

Women are raped. Married women, single women, women who work in high powered jobs, or those who stay at home. They are women and they are all at risk of being raped, just as much as a women jogging in the woods alone, a woman walking down a dark alleyway on her own.

There is at times the misconception that a woman wearing high heels, low cut top and a short skirt is surely gagging for it, so needs to be raped Hmm

It's not always a one off attack, it can be her husband, her father, an uncle, brother or boyfriend. Even just a friend she meets now and again or a total stranger.

There's nothing set in stone here, there is no code of conduct. Rape is abuse. Rape is illegal. Rape is a violation of a woman's body and her mind.

Rape was my prison, my own mental and physical prison. I was unworthy of any kind of love, respect or equality. I was a 'slut and a whore' in his eyes, my body was used for his pleasure once the cycle began.

Lured into his web, his lies, his deceit, This Charming Man of mine. On the outside no-one would know, not at first, not after the first time. It's a one off, a mistake, he was too drunk, had taken drugs, wasn't in control of himself. He's sorry, he'd convinced himself as much as me that it's not going to happen again.

There are no warnings, you don't even have to 'Do Anything Wrong'. Just being there is enough to them.

I'm lucky, I got out. I left him and ran. Of course I looked back, he was my lover, my partner, I loved him, even the day that I left, I still loved him. I was grieving for the man I had lost, the man I had when we first met, before the rapes and beatings began. I wanted that man back.

The self loathing and hatred came soon after I left. I thought about taking my own life at times, giving my DD to my parents, she deserved better than me to raise her. I wasn't worthy of her love. I'd risked her life at the hands of this monster. I'd let him into her life and mine.

But I got us out. Thankfully, I got us out.

Sorry for the long post. I just want people to know that there is Life After Rape.

Mouseface · 17/03/2012 15:42

anonmale - the current campaign is geared towards women in my opinion yes, but I personally don't believe that Mumsnet is focused mainly on women, not at all.

There are plenty of male posters on here but I do see your point with regards to men being raped. There's no mention of it in my own posts as I have no experience of it personally.

However, I do know it happens Sad

AnyFucker · 17/03/2012 15:45

anonmale I am deeply sorry for your horrible experience

A quick google had these two links at the top of the page

mankind

links for support here

I think Mumsnet does acknowledge that males can be victims too, but this is a specific focus brought into life originally by and through the Feminism/Women's Rights topic

Perhaps you could suggest that one of the male-focussed online support groups could do a similar conscienceness-raising campaign, along the lines of what MN is doing ? There is room for everyone. But I do strongly feel that the issues are very different and that by trying to piggyback a female-focussed campaign, there is the danger of diluting the real problem of men's entitlement to hurt women

JugglingWithTangentialOranges · 17/03/2012 16:02

I'm sorry to hear of your awful experience too anon

I hope you can find further helpful support, whether here or through AnyFucker's great links.

Mouseface · 17/03/2012 16:21

Brilliant links there AF, I hope that anonmale find some real support for what he went through. Sad

AnyFucker · 17/03/2012 16:27

me too, mary

mousymouseafraidofdogs · 17/03/2012 18:04

anonmale we believe you

GurlwiththeFrothyCurl · 17/03/2012 18:06

I have just read through the whole thread and am weeping at the experiences written and linked to. All I can say is "I believe you" at all the survivors.

LineRunner · 17/03/2012 18:15

One of the really invidious rape myths that surfaced during the 1980s-90s occurred when sociobiologically-based research - especially that from some [misguided] academics in the USA - used 'evolution' to 'explain' all kinds of structural and cultural inequalities. (You still see this approach around, sadly.)

Rape was at one point declared to be an 'adaptive male reproductive strategy'.

One of the best demolitions of this argument I ever saw was painstaking in its discussion of the issue of male rape - its prevalence especially in conflict zones, and the underreporting - as well as discussing the prevalence of the rape of children and older people in particular social and historical settings.

So, I certainly think that being aware of male rape is really important as part of the context of demolishing rape myths, such as the myth that 'It's men being attracted to fertile-age women.'

I also however think that it's right to focus this particular campaign on female rape, because there is just so much work to do in this area; but whilst assisting with links to the best help and giving support and credibility to a future campaign about male rape and male rape myths.

DillyTante · 17/03/2012 18:15

anonmale I can imagine that there is big battle in getting people to acknowledge male rape. I don't want to belittle you experiences, but AF is right, this, for us is a feminist campaign. I imagine the issues surrounding male rape are different to rape of women. Rape of women is part of a much wider culture of female subservience.

That is not to say that we aren't here to support you if you need it.

LineRunner · 17/03/2012 18:16

And anonmale, I am so sorry about what happened to you.

AnyFucker · 17/03/2012 18:17

I would support any campaign that was forged to highlight rape on males

Mouseface · 17/03/2012 18:48

So would I AF.

wishes · 17/03/2012 20:23

Will there be a proper report of the results of the survey? One that describes the methodology and results in full, I mean?

prozacpopsie · 17/03/2012 20:24

I believe you